engine swap on s III

[Mercedesrover]

A few years back, somebody dropped a 4 cylinder Mercedes diesel (190D?) into a series. He had a web page about the swap.

I resemble that remark.



A new batch of adapters are in the works right now.

Jim

[om617]

mercedes rover, I see that you are now producing "plates" to replumb for a remote filter on the Mercedes engines. I am interested in one as my milling machine has developed a problem. Let me know if you have any you would like to part with. FYI-the adaptor plate is a thing of beauty -Thanks.

[Mercedesrover]

In stock. I can get one out for you tomorrow. Drop me a PM or an email.

pbs@mohawk.net

Jim

[jp-]

Jim,

Will yours burn veggie oil?

Also, will the adapter plate fit other Mercedes diesels? If so, what other Mercedes engines will work?

[Mercedesrover]

It'll burn whatever you can pour into it. Waste veggie oil, any fresh veggie oil, transmission fluid, motor oil, fish oil, hydraulic oil, etc.

These adapters fit any Mercecdes 616/617 diesel engine from the mid '70s to the mid 80's. (Mercedes 240D, 300D, etc.) They don't fit the 601-190D engine that was mentioned earlier.

jim

[jp-]

Transmission Fluid?
Motor Oil?

Used motor oil?

If it will burn this crap, my next question is how much for the adapter?

Also, how is the power vs the 2.25, top speed, etc...?

[TeriAnn]

Jim,

I'm creating an "intoduction to Series Land Rover engine swaps" web page for my web site. May I have your permission to use this picture on that page (will provide photo credit & link to your site as the source for adapters)?

Also, power numbers for the 616 & 617 engines seem to be eluding me. I'm sure you researched them. Pre-1978 616 engines are rated at 65hp but I don't know at what RPM nor the torque rating. Post-1978 616 engines are rated at 72hp but again I need RPM & torque numbers.

For the 81-83 617 engines I have 123 hp, and for the '83-85 engines I have 125hp. I have a asingle torque rating at 170 lb/ft

[Mercedesrover]

power numbers for the 616 & 617 engines seem to be eluding me. I'm sure you researched them. Pre-1978 616 engines are rated at 65hp but I don't know at what RPM nor the torque rating. Post-1978 616 engines are rated at 72hp but again I need RPM & torque numbers.

For the 81-83 617 engines I have 123 hp, and for the '83-85 engines I have 125hp. I have a asingle torque rating at 170 lb/ft

The numbers are there, they're just really small!

Seriously though, I don't really know the torque and rpm specs on these diesels but can find that out for you. One thing that's nice about them is they are a "high-speed" diesel so you don't run into the gearing problems with them as you do slower turning engines.

Your hp ratings look about right. Rumor has it the later 616 can be turned up with the altitude sensor and injection time to about 80hp. I've done both and can attest to a noticeable difference. Whether it's 80hp or not I couldn't tell you. People that have driven the truck say it feels about the same power as a strong running 2.25 petrol engine.

The hp ratings you have are for the 617 are turbo numbers. The normally aspirated 617 is around 100hp.

Use this photo if you don't mind. :http://seriestrek.com/bulkhead/leftenginebay.jpg.JPG

JP, these engines are well known for their ability to burn a number of alternative fuels with little or no modifications and are very popular with the WVO/SVO/Bio-diesel crowd.

I'm out of adapters at the moment but more material will be here Monday. I'll have another batch ready to ship in about two weeks. All are spoken for but two.

jim

[Alacrity]

Dates Displ(cc) PS RPM Torque ft lbs*
OM616.917 prior 2/79 2404 65 4200 97
OM616.917 from 2/79 2399 72 4400 97
OM617.917 prior 9/79 3005 80 4000 115.7
OM617.917 from 9/79 2998 88 4400 120
OM617.950 from8/77 2998 115 4350 170
OM617.951** from 9/80 2998 123 4350 170
OM617.952** from 8/81 2998 123 4350 170

* for most at 2400rpm
** prior to 9/83 rated 123ps, after 125ps -

OM616.917 found in 240D, 240TD, 240GD - until '87

OM617.917 found in 300D, 300 CD, 300TD, 300GD (W460, not W463) until '90

OM617.950 found in 300SD until '80

OM617.951 found in 300SD Turbo until '85

OM617.952 300D Turbo, 300 CD Turbo, 300 TD Turbo until '85

That suffice? - Terri if you need it nicer for clarity IM - I have a nice chart I cant get formatted

Luck
Alac

[TeriAnn]

Dates Displ(cc) PS RPM Torque ft lbs*
OM617.917 prior 9/79 3005 80 4000 115.7
OM617.917 from 9/79 2998 88 4400 120
OM617.950 from8/77 2998 115 4350 170
OM617.951** from 9/80 2998 123 4350 170
OM617.952** from 8/81 2998 123 4350 170

OM617.917 found in 300D, 300 CD, 300TD, 300GD (W460, not W463) until '90

OM617.950 found in 300SD until '80

OM617.951 found in 300SD Turbo until '85

OM617.952 300D Turbo, 300 CD Turbo, 300 TD Turbo until '85

That suffice? - Terri if you need it nicer for clarity IM - I have a nice chart I cant get formatted

Thanks Alac! Good stuff

You wouldn't happen to know if any of the turbo 617 engine versions had fewer or less obtrusive hangy down parts on the lower right side of the engine would you? I have long thought a 617 might be a good swap into a Series rig if they had the correct shaped pan and a lot less stuff sitting low on the engine's right side.