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    Default Replacing Series door moldings

    For what its worth, here is my experience with replacing doormoldings on a Series 109.

    After checking the postings on RN and other sites on this subject I called in to order a setof moldings for all 5 doors on the 109. After choking on the prices of original parts I was advisedthat the Defender moldings would work and were much less expensive.So I backed out and re-read the blogs andfound that it seems they would work.SoI call back and a nice gentleman told me that he’d done his Series withDefender moldings, and it worked well (with some manipulating of the moldingover the raised edges; I know some have said to grind them off).

    When I got the moldings I found that the front doors workedOK, although not an easy job (about 4 hours per door to get all the rivets out,clean and apply). Bottom/sill piece has to be drilled to fit. The back door alsoworked OK but it really makes a tight fit.However, the middle door Defender moldings didn’t even begin tofit.So after destroying one trying tomake it fit, I call RN and another salesman told me “yes Defender fit, but notthe middle doors on a 109.I’m thinking “no,sh*t, I just found out the hard way”. But I didn’t say that, they were justtrying to help, and I ordered and paid the much higher price for the original 109 kits.

    So I sent back the unused middle door for credit and paidfor original equipment and was sent Pro Line (mostly, a couple pieces were LandRover). After paying that kind of moneyI was expecting to place and rivets; expecting all holes in the moldings toline up and expecting the moldings to be cut to proper length.

    The only piece (of 5 pieces that make up the kit) that fitwithout modification was the piece that fits around the latch area. The top rail piece did have holes thatmatched the body holes but did need to be trimmed, about 3” on either end; nobig deal.

    The upper back and lower back and sill pieces did not matchany body holes so they all had to be re-drilled (not easy to get the holeexactly in the right place) and trimmed.

    The front edge piece was the same as far as re-drilling allholes (none of the pre-drilled holes in 3 molding pieces matched the bodyholes.) When you drill the holes, if youdon’t get them exactly right you will get some “wavyness” in the metal strapmolding which will affect door fit.

    In the end I found that there was way too much molding(thickness) in the front channel and the doors would not close because ofthat. After destroying one of themtrying to trim to fit I just ripped off both of those (expensive) pieces andtossed them. One might have shimmed out the door hinges but the door wouldn’tbe in line with the body.I’m certainlya novice at this so I’m sure an expert might have got it done right but I don’thave an expert hanging around. I’m going down to Pep Boys to look for thethinner molding.

    Needless to say, neither the Defender or the Series moldingsfit without extensive fitting and drilling. It’s not as simple as placing the new molding pieces in the cannels, andriveting.

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    It appears that you are referring to the rubber weather seals, and not the galvanized capping.
    The original, genuine seals for Series trucks has not been available for quite a long time. Even when you got hold of the genuine, none of the rivet holes ever lined up with the old holes on the truck. When newly installed. the doors will be difficult to close due to the rubber needing to be compressed by the door so it takes a "set"
    In defense of the Defender door seals, they do indeed fit without any real trouble. I can't understand how you had difficulty with the middle door seals as they went on my Series 5 door without any major issues. They also make a much better seal and come away easily if you need to do anything to the body (like take off the bulkhead....)
    Sorry that you're struggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by o2batsea View Post
    It appears that you are referring to the rubber weather seals, and not the galvanized capping.
    The original, genuine seals for Series trucks has not been available for quite a long time. Even when you got hold of the genuine, none of the rivet holes ever lined up with the old holes on the truck. When newly installed. the doors will be difficult to close due to the rubber needing to be compressed by the door so it takes a "set"
    In defense of the Defender door seals, they do indeed fit without any real trouble. I can't understand how you had difficulty with the middle door seals as they went on my Series 5 door without any major issues. They also make a much better seal and come away easily if you need to do anything to the body (like take off the bulkhead....)
    Sorry that you're struggling.
    The middle door set that I got (Defender) are molded to fit the top corners of the door but the ones I got were at least 6" too long in between those molded corners. I assumed they were the wrong ones for that reason.

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    Are the Defender door moldings a better choice for the short wheel(1965 2a) base too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armordave View Post
    The middle door set that I got (Defender) are molded to fit the top corners of the door but the ones I got were at least 6" too long in between those molded corners. I assumed they were the wrong ones for that reason.
    I think someone sent you the wrong item. That would make me think you had front door ones not middle door. Both Series and Defender doors fit pretty much the same size opening.

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    I wish I had read this about two weeks ago before I ordered the parts. Seems like the moldings that are recommended by RN won't fit. I've checked the parts catalogues and there is no way that the moldings that are recommended will fit. The bottom of the door sill and and front of the door are just way to thick to be able to close the door. If I am wrong. Please somebody tell me what I am doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver2004 View Post
    I wish I had read this about two weeks ago before I ordered the parts. Seems like the moldings that are recommended by RN won't fit. I've checked the parts catalogues and there is no way that the moldings that are recommended will fit. The bottom of the door sill and and front of the door are just way to thick to be able to close the door. If I am wrong. Please somebody tell me what I am doing.
    Silicone wet spray is your friend. Spray the seals all the way around the doors. Keep them sun as much as possible. Parking in the sun may help. It will take a few months for the seals to really take their shape. The glue in seals 3 brothers sells work pretty great and are very affordable.

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    The title should be Door Seals instead of Door Mouldings.
    The currently available Seals are for Series III door, the spacing of the rivet holes are different from II/IIa to Series III.
    I'm thinking you were sent the top door seal for the front instead of the rear side door.
    If you look carefully, the Landrover # is moulded into the door seal, ie 395674 :
    http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=395674

    Hope this helps.
    Les Parker
    Tech. Support and Parts Specialist
    Rovers North Inc.

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