rear drive shaft ==> to U Joint ?

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  • mrdoiron
    4th Gear
    • Dec 2009
    • 446

    rear drive shaft ==> to U Joint ?

    Recently had some minor trans work done, and today was casually driving at ~35mph when the rear drive shaft detached from the U joint at the gear box...

    So not sure if they hadn't secured something properly, but the shaft and U connection is fully in tact and doesn't 'appear' to have any damage - it just detached from the U-Joint. The U Joint itself also appears ok - but not sure. I'm not familiar with how the U-joint connects into the shaft's U connection member (just circlips perhaps), so hoping some one can shed a quick light...

    thanks...

    mike
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    1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
    1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
    1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
    1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
    1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
    2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
    2010 RR Sport Supercharged


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  • scott
    Overdrive
    • Oct 2006
    • 1226

    #2
    mike, if the u joint is attached to the rear of the xtrfr and it has a splined shaft i don't know, maybe 8" long, also attached, that shaft just slips into the end of the propeller shaft. it is meant slide a bit to allow for varying distances between the rear axle and xtrfr case. this distance varies as the suspension flexes usually when crawling over extreme terrain.

    what were ya doing when it fell apart?
    '64 Series IIA 88 Canvas Tilt
    '68 Series IIA RHD Ambulance
    '76 Spitfire 1500
    '07 LR3 (Series Recovery Vehicle)

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    • I Leak Oil
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1796

      #3
      Got a picture?
      Jason
      "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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      • siii8873
        Overdrive
        • Jul 2007
        • 1011

        #4
        If I understand your post it sounds like the yokes came apart. If this is the case you are correct these are secured in place with circlips.
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        THING 2 -1974 88 SIII Daily Driver - SOLD
        THING 3 - 1969 88 SIIA Bugeye Project
        THING 4 - 1971 109 SIIA ExMod - SOLD
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        • mrdoiron
          4th Gear
          • Dec 2009
          • 446

          #5
          Here are a couple quick pics, if just circlips holding in...I am thinking the transmissions guys must have forgot to replace one, or not clipped in correctly, as I was only doing ~35mph on a straight road...

          thx
          Last edited by mrdoiron; 12-24-2010, 11:52 AM.
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          1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
          1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
          1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
          1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
          1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
          2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
          2010 RR Sport Supercharged


          http://mikerovers.shutterfly.com/

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          • siiirhd88
            3rd Gear
            • Oct 2006
            • 360

            #6
            There would have been no reason for the shop to pull the U-joints, unless they were replaced, so no circlips should have been removed. The driveshaft flange should have been unbolted from the xfer case output and at the rear diff, if needed. Check to see that the front and rear driveshaft yokes are in alignment. The driveshaft could have come apart at the slip joint, and if reassembled out of phase would have put a great stress on the U-joint. I'd think you would have noted a severe vibration....

            Bob

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            • scott
              Overdrive
              • Oct 2006
              • 1226

              #7
              your u joint exploded.

              bob, i'm not so sure that not putting a slip joint back differently than the factory dude did would create that much stress. it's a farm trucks not ferrari. unless maybe the yokes on the prop were running more parallel than perpendicular

              my guess is a well worn, under lubricate u joint. but the shop should have seen that coming.

              i work rove drivetrains almost everyday. the last thing i do before lowering the lift is check and lube the prop shaft parts
              '64 Series IIA 88 Canvas Tilt
              '68 Series IIA RHD Ambulance
              '76 Spitfire 1500
              '07 LR3 (Series Recovery Vehicle)

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              • mrdoiron
                4th Gear
                • Dec 2009
                • 446

                #8
                it appears to have just "popped off", which makes me wonder if they even have the circlips on at all after re-assembling... anyone ever see that "just pop off" while driving low speed ? I was only a mile from home that day after a week sitting, so it wasn't at all heated up in any way.

                I can't tell if the U-Joint itself is actually damanged in anyway... but suppose I should order a new one from Rovers North, as I'm not even sure where I'd find appropriate circlips alone anyway... parts on $44 it appears - and I assume it comes with circlips !

                th
                ---------------------------
                1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
                1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
                1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
                1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
                1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
                2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
                2010 RR Sport Supercharged


                http://mikerovers.shutterfly.com/

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                • I Leak Oil
                  Overdrive
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1796

                  #9
                  You seem to be missing the bearing caps and I'll assume the needle bearings are spread copiously about the road. Get a new one and make sure the yoke and flange isn't damaged. There's no reason why the shop needed to take the U joint apart, if they actually did.
                  Jason
                  "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                  • mrdoiron
                    4th Gear
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 446

                    #10
                    ok thanks, ordering a new one...

                    They had taken it apart as I had the transfer case seals redone, plus a skid plate made, I see from the pictures I took at the time it was apart...

                    appreciate the comments - had never taken that apart and this makes sense now.

                    mike
                    ---------------------------
                    1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
                    1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
                    1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
                    1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
                    1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
                    2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
                    2010 RR Sport Supercharged


                    http://mikerovers.shutterfly.com/

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                    • LaneRover
                      Overdrive
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1743

                      #11
                      Originally posted by I Leak Oil
                      There's no reason why the shop needed to take the U joint apart, if they actually did.
                      Unless of course they undid the u-joint instead of taking the bolts out.

                      That is if the transmission work required taking the transmission out.
                      1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
                      1965 109 SW - nearly running well
                      1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
                      1969 109 P-UP

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                      • mrdoiron
                        4th Gear
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 446

                        #12
                        yup, Trans it came out and got pretty up. painted too...
                        ---------------------------
                        1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
                        1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
                        1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
                        1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
                        1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
                        2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
                        2010 RR Sport Supercharged


                        http://mikerovers.shutterfly.com/

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                        • I Leak Oil
                          Overdrive
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1796

                          #13
                          I can honestly say I would never want to remove it at the U joint given a choice. The flange had to come off anyway to replace the seals. I just find that method a little odd.
                          Jason
                          "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                          • mrdoiron
                            4th Gear
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 446

                            #14
                            not a doubt !
                            ---------------------------
                            1961 Ser IIa Hybrid Defender
                            1969 Ser IIa Bugeye
                            1980 Ser III Lightweight 24V RHD- sold
                            1988 LR90 turbo diesel RHD - currently frame off rebuild in progress
                            1998 Disco - ex wife :-(
                            2000 Disco - RIP , end over end 2.5 times
                            2010 RR Sport Supercharged


                            http://mikerovers.shutterfly.com/

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                            • LaneRover
                              Overdrive
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 1743

                              #15
                              Originally posted by I Leak Oil
                              I can honestly say I would never want to remove it at the U joint given a choice. The flange had to come off anyway to replace the seals. I just find that method a little odd.
                              I do too, but then again I wouldn't stand 10 ft from an off-road race either.
                              1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
                              1965 109 SW - nearly running well
                              1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
                              1969 109 P-UP

                              http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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