Anyone Want to Tell Me Why This is 20k?

[Bostonian1976]

http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo1180.html

....with painted galvi no less

[Jim-ME]

My guess is that it is in really good shape both mechanically and body wise. This is a high end Rover place and they don't sell junk. My ex-MOD 64 2a had all the galvanized stuff painted too origionally which I've removed a lot of it. I'll bet that when I get mine up to that condition I'll have about that in it.

[yorker]

Because that is the sort of $ market Copely caters to.

[NashvilleRover]

I believe that Copley sells cars (in a higher economic area) for East Coast Rovers. They have a pretty good reputation, so perhaps they have either gone through this car or serviced it.

Makes me happy, as I will be intersted to see what it sells for. Just makes me feel better about having a 64 Series IIA!!

DJ
NashvilleRover
1964 Series IIA

[Carey]

Folks with lots of money don't believe in paying less for more when they can pay more for less, but with a swanky label! The other posts are spot on, Copley is a high end seller and is linked with ECR, a high end builder. Ask yourself if you use fish eggs for bait or as an hors d'oeuvre, and if you prefer the latter, you're a Copley Motors kind of guy.

[northshorelocal]

What kind of tires does that $20,0000 rover have on it? Are they Goodyear?

[Chris McKnight]

Michelin XZL. Good luck finding them...sweet tires though.

[Jim-ME]

I have a great deal of respect for the quality of vehicles that the folks at Copley sell and the quality of work ECR does. Why question the price? Prices are set buy supply and demand. Where else other than possibly a private sale can you find a vintage Series Rover in this shape? The same can be said for ECR. If they can get plenty of work on vehicles that they prefer to work on so why should they take on any type of work? In a nutshell they are both high end organizations and desevre the reputations they have worked hard to earn.

[yorker]

Michelin XZL. Good luck finding them...sweet tires though.

well not quite an XZL but an XCL:
https://www.roversnorth.com/store/pm-13158-1-used-michelin-xcl-tire-750-x-16-radial.aspx

[TSR53]

Actually, we have a lot of Michelin's. Just do a search for "mich"

Michelin XZL's are here (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-11066-tire-michelin-xzl-750-x-16.aspx)

[Jeff Aronson]

It looks like a great find. Military 88's are uncommon in the US, and this one certainly looks like it's in great condition. I wonder if the NATO models came without sills or whether this one simply had the sills removed to preclude damage. 54,000 miles is nothing on a Series motor, and if the frame is as clean as the rest of the car, then it's worth whatever a collector might pay for it. I can't guess how original the tires or the top are. I would think that tires are replacements and not "detailed" with black paint; the top looks quite good, too.

Minimal mileage like that makes it likely that the transmission/transfer case is in great shape. Are there parabolic springs underneath the car? That winch would not be an inexpensive item; if it was hooked up correctly, then there's a great alternator/dual battery setup inside. The door seals and window tracks are probably intact and functional. The front swivels might not leak and all the propshafts, front and rear, might have a lot of life left on them.

I will admit that I am usually at the bottom end of the Series price market with my cars. My second II-A came in at under $3,500. So there are still good buys out there if you're willing to do some work. But I must admit that I would hesitate to total up the sums of the all the parts I've bought for my two II-A's over the decades. It would be nice to start with a fully functional car rather than a "rolling maintenance project." :)

I had a set of Michelins like the ones in the photos and they were wonderful on and off the road. I'm delighted to see them back and available. Time to start saving my pennies.

As for Copley Motors and ECR, I would suggest that the reverse is accurate. Copley Motors sends cars to East Coast Rover for refurbishment and/or repair, and Copley prices and sells them accordingly. It does seem as though Copley has bought and sold many of the Defender 110's and 90's on the east coast :thumb-up: I'd love to make a road trip there, but I think I might have to wash the mud and grime off my II-A first.

Jeff

[jac04]

Actually, we have a lot of Michelin's. Just do a search for "mich"

Michelin XZL's are here (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-11066-tire-michelin-xzl-750-x-16.aspx)

..must...resist...urge...to...purchase.........:)

Anyhow, 20K doesn't seem too bad for that vehicle, especially if it is in excellent condition. However, the 'no sill panel' thing just look cheap to me - put a set of galv. sliders on there and you will have a great looking vehicle.

[lrdukdog]

It does look nice but... Are those "wolf wheels?" and is the rear frame galvy or painted? I would say that the sills were removed either to prevent damage or because they were trashed and it wouldn;t look like a 20K vehicle with that damage. Before I would pay that much I would have to do some crawling around underneith. just my 2P:D

Jim Wolf
Elvenwood Kennel

[yorker]

If ANYTHING I think Series LR values are somewhat depressed actually- has anyone ever compared them to their contemporary competition's prices today? Sure 20,000 is a lot for a kind of plain looking low miles IIa but look at what other vehicles are foing for outside of our little Rover realm:

CCOT's "Show Quality" FJ40s equipped with AC, Power Steering and more, range in price from $39,800 to $49,800
http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/fj19to19stat1.html



The FJ60s We Buy to Make "Like New"...
All FJ60s that we purchase must be original condition with less than 120K miles. Needless to say, we can’t find many - but those we do buy are easily returned to like "NEW CONDITION." Because of our back order on FJ40s, we can’t spare the manpower nor the time to purchase FJ60s in need of many repairs; therefore, we only buy the hard to find, low mile, super clean FJ60s that are most easily returned to like "NEW CONDITION" - and this happens to be exactly what our customers want most. These are the best FJ60's money can buy!



FJ60 prices range from $19,800 to $27,800...





http://www.collectorcarads.com/models.asp?Model=fj40

http://www.vintageoffroad.com/
(http://www.vintageoffroad.com/)
http://www.vintageoffroad.com/_cache/7ab7a85cda449ac2486e1a6c726e1552.jpghttp://www.vintageoffroad.com/viewvehicle.cfm?id=552

[jp-]

It looks like a great find. Military 88's are uncommon in the US, and this one certainly looks like it's in great condition.

Military? I don't think so.

A cheap knock off perhaps. Light configuration is inconsistent with military rovers. Front bumper is missing overriders. Rear crossmember is not square.

[fruitpunch]

Military? I don't think so.

A cheap knock off perhaps. Light configuration is inconsistent with military rovers. Front bumper is missing overriders. Rear crossmember is not square.

Hold.... Military does not have to mean UK MOD.... and if LHD, I did not look there are plenty of options of countries that did not use silly overriders or square very easily bendable rear x-members. Dutch or Belgian, German BGS, Danish Defense Forces, Swiss Military....just to name a few. But then I must agree it seems this is a build rover judging from wolf wheels, front bumper and other extras.

[yorker]

I didn't realize they had a bunch of Series Rovers:
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_3.html

1965, Land Rover Series IIa 109
Exterior color Marine Green
Interior color black
Mileage 66,000
Price $19,800.00


http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/de0b5ex10e62cfcd4dxy7f6c.JPG


1954, Land Rover Series I Fire Tk
Exterior color Portofino Red
Interior color grey
Mileage 5,300
Price $19,800.00


http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/ffd135x110c135804fxx7fff.JPG

1965, Land Rover Series II
Exterior color Flat Green
Interior color grey
Mileage 54,600
Price $19,800.00

http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/198ff2x1110fedd5c8xx7fff.JPG

See a trend here?

ok so this one bucks the trend:

1973, Land Rover Series III 88
Exterior color Pastel Green
Interior color grey
Mileage 86,000
Price $5,600.00

http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/a41cc7x10b20459551xy7fe1.JPG

[jp-]

Now that SI Fire Engine is probably worth 20K.

[fruitpunch]

Yes that Series I has been on Ebay a few times, no takers yet. Strangely he insists on listing it as an 88 everytime even after being told that it's an 86 ....... which leads me to believe he is only really selling to the trendy crowd and not to the collectors.

[jp-]

Fruitpunch,

I have to disagree with you on the military issue. I think you have to draw the line at what is and isn't a military Rover, despite which countries used them. If you don't you could call any Rover painted with flat paint a military Rover, even if it was otherwise an unmodified (or very lightly modified) civilian Rover that was used by any old army.

[fruitpunch]

Well my Swiss ex-mod doesn't have silly overriders or square rear x-member but instead has different mirrors, gunrack and some other swiss army mods. I guess it all depends what floats your boat or your rover.... I certainly wouldn't pay more for a truck with ex-mod features.

[jp-]

Sorry Fruit,

I think you have a lightly modified civy.

[jp-]

For clarification sake:

I would classify any Rover that was ordered from Solihull as a Military vehicle to be a military vehicle. Civilian Land Rovers that were ordered and then later modified for patrol vehicles or light duty army vehicles don't count as full blown military vehicles. This doesn't mean that a civilian Land Rover won't make a great army vehicle, but they were not built and not sold as military Land Rovers.

[fruitpunch]

JP sorry what a load of rubbish, australian mod 109 are completely different then UK once, they cut the fenders out nice and big so there would be no rub. Hence the aussies would say UK MOD vehicles are not the real thing. Just because the UK MOD special order theirs doesn't make them the only once that saw service. How about a Minerva made for the Belgian Military ?.... oh yes doesn't qualify wasn't made completely in Solihull oopps Birmingham. My guess is most militaria collectors would also agree that there is more then one kind....

happy rovering

[fruitpunch]

Sorry Fruit,

I think you have a lightly modified civy.

FYI.... Swiss Military Rovers were all fitted with re-enforced military front axles and the ever so rare gearbox bash plate. The Swiss then modified the lights, electrics, mirrors(unlike the crappy rover once these actually work), added machine gun rack, jerry can holder inside, axe holder and on lwb a shovel holder also. I think the importer carried out the mods but on some other vehicles a company called Mowag now owned by Defense Contractor General Dynamics Corporation was doing the Mods, they have done all kinds of Chevy, Dodge, Hummer things for years.... infact if you every see a Hummer with Square lights it's a Mowag Hummer or known to the as an Eagle.

[jp-]

JP sorry what a load of rubbish, australian mod 109 are completely different then UK once, they cut the fenders out nice and big so there would be no rub. Hence the aussies would say UK MOD vehicles are not the real thing. Just because the UK MOD special order theirs doesn't make them the only once that saw service. How about a Minerva made for the Belgian Military ?.... oh yes doesn't qualify wasn't made completely in Solihull oopps Birmingham. My guess is most militaria collectors would also agree that there is more then one kind....

happy rovering

All good points... I'll have to think on this.

[yorker]

Military rovers could come in any configuration- Land Rover was pretty accommodating as long as the customer had the $ for the modifications they wanted. Modifications could be deleted as well.

Anyone have good pics of the Swiss 88s? I need some.

[jac04]

..and the ever so rare gearbox bash plate.
Is it really rare? I've got one just sitting in my garage - I haven't been able to come up with a good way to mount it.

[fruitpunch]

Mounts with little tabs and bolts into holes in the frame, I haven't seen too many around except on Swiss vehicles you always see them.

[Joecarville]

Acuually the reason for the price is Copley's association with East Coast Rover ,,,,,nice work if you can get it.

[B. Wallace]

I think that was solved on the 1st page...

[GrFa]

I live five minutes away, anyone really interested in one of the Copley cars? Should I probe the flat green one for a transmission bash plate? (joking, unless someone wants me to)