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  • RoverForm
    3rd Gear
    • Jul 2010
    • 348

    Charging Issue! About to give up...

    Ok so now I'm about to throw in the towel and take her down to the shop to drop some cash for a diagnosis.

    '66 IIa 2.25 petrol RHD positive earth

    issue:
    charge light is on
    amps in the negative

    what i've done:
    new interstate battery (exact specification to the truck)
    new voltage regulator (identical to OG lucas)
    totally rebuilt OG lucas generator (tested good)
    polarized gen to pos earth (negative batt terminal to field contact on gen)
    polarized reg to pos earth (A1 and F terminals)
    belt properly tensioned
    checked wires from gen to regulator (no issues)
    checked behind dash, rear of gauges- both ammeter and charge light wiring (cannot locate issue)

    while engine at idle (1000rpm), ammeter reading below 0, charge light is on, battery is putting out between 12.5 to 13.5 volts. all electronics work.

    has no one experienced this type of issue before?

    i'm frustrated and stumped...
    Last edited by RoverForm; 10-31-2010, 02:15 PM.
  • Terrys
    Overdrive
    • May 2007
    • 1382

    #2
    Sometimes, when a newly rebuilt generator is tested on the bench, it gets a good solid magnetizing in the polarity the guy figured it should be (Neg Earth most of the time) and it takes repeated 'flashing' to reverse the magnetic field of the field coils. (actually it isn't the coils themselves, it's the iron core of the generator as a whole)I've had stubborn ones too, so don't give up.
    Normally it only takes flashing once or twice with the engine off, but when it doesn't 'take' I've started the engine, gotten it to idle as low as possible, clipped a lead of number 10 wire to the field terminal, and held it on the neg battery terminal (or which ever way I was polarizing it) for a few seconds. The wire may get hot momentarily, but then, if the field coil polarity reverses, the wire will simply conduct. Keep the cover off the regulator so you can watch the right-hand coil (facing it)

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    • Rineheitzgabot
      4th Gear
      • Jun 2008
      • 386

      #3
      Originally posted by Terrys
      Sometimes, when a newly rebuilt generator is tested on the bench, it gets a good solid magnetizing in the polarity the guy figured it should be (Neg Earth most of the time) and it takes repeated 'flashing' to reverse the magnetic field of the field coils. (actually it isn't the coils themselves, it's the iron core of the generator as a whole)I've had stubborn ones too, so don't give up.
      Normally it only takes flashing once or twice with the engine off, but when it doesn't 'take' I've started the engine, gotten it to idle as low as possible, clipped a lead of number 10 wire to the field terminal, and held it on the neg battery terminal (or which ever way I was polarizing it) for a few seconds. The wire may get hot momentarily, but then, if the field coil polarity reverses, the wire will simply conduct. Keep the cover off the regulator so you can watch the right-hand coil (facing it)
      Now that's the kinda post I like.
      "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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      • RoverForm
        3rd Gear
        • Jul 2010
        • 348

        #4
        thanks terry. i'll try this today.
        Last edited by RoverForm; 11-01-2010, 12:53 PM.

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        • RoverForm
          3rd Gear
          • Jul 2010
          • 348

          #5
          with the engine at low idle, when i connect the 10 wire to the negative terminal on the batt and then to the field contact on the gen, the charge light on the dash goes out. when i disconnect the wire, the dash charge light goes on.

          also, the regulator is not doing anything. there is no activity.
          Last edited by RoverForm; 11-01-2010, 01:20 PM.

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          • I Leak Oil
            Overdrive
            • Nov 2006
            • 1796

            #6
            It sounds like you have a bad wire somewhere. Is your harness original or new?
            Jason
            "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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            • RoverForm
              3rd Gear
              • Jul 2010
              • 348

              #7
              from the looks of it, probably original... definitely not new.

              i feel like the issue is somewhere between the battery to regulator, because the regulator is not doing anything. it isn't clicking or moving at all.

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              • I Leak Oil
                Overdrive
                • Nov 2006
                • 1796

                #8
                Time to get a volt\ohm meter, your wiring diagram and start doing some checks...No easy way around it.
                Jason
                "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                • RoverForm
                  3rd Gear
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 348

                  #9
                  have a voltmeter.

                  does anyone have a cover pic of the green bible?

                  the shop manual i have is the brookland edition http://www.4x4shop.se/grafikk/LR70WH.jpg, it isn't totally inclusive and tends to focus more on the SIII.

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                  • 73series88
                    5th Gear
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 587

                    #10
                    our host has a wiring diagram 2a neg earth and pos earth under the electrical equipment

                    yeh i would go wire by wire
                    my rover came with no dash so i had to go wire by wire for a series III.
                    became really famillar with the series3 diagram
                    good luck
                    aaron
                    Last edited by 73series88; 12-04-2010, 09:08 PM.
                    73 series III 88 2.5 na diesel daily driver
                    67 series 2a 88 RHD sold
                    88 RRC sold
                    60 mga coupe

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                    • yorker
                      Overdrive
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1635

                      #11
                      If you can wait until tomorrow I could scan whatever you want. Shoot me an email.
                      1965 SIIa 88",1975 Ex-MOD 109/Ambulance, 1989 RRC, blah, blah, blah...

                      Land Rover UK Forums

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                      • RoverForm
                        3rd Gear
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 348

                        #12
                        thanks yorker!

                        i'll take you up on that...

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                        • RoverForm
                          3rd Gear
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 348

                          #13
                          so i think i may have isolated the issue...

                          the lower half of the fuse box is not conducting, however, the top half is. i checked the fuse and it is good.

                          anyone have any input on these? diagrams?

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                          • I Leak Oil
                            Overdrive
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 1796

                            #14
                            Stupid question but are you checking it with the key on? One set is on constant and one set is key on only.
                            Jason
                            "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                            • stomper
                              5th Gear
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 889

                              #15
                              looks a little dirty, did you use any emery cloth to ensure you were getting a good connection with the ohm meter? Sounds like this is where the problem lies, with the fuse in, it should pass current right through the fuse from one side to the other.
                              Bad gas mileage gets you to some of the greatest places on earth.

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