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weatherm
02-09-2011, 07:59 PM
PRICE DROPPED: 15K!!!!

I'm posting this for my friend so bear with me. I have owned a SIII and know that this is a trick truck. Passes the conversation test. I haven't seen any rust... It is in VERY good nick... no rust on the doors, I saw the rig last year and I never saw any rust. The frame has a black coating on it. I have also driven this and its great, goes through gears fine nice and smooth. He has decided to sell this rig, I have personally driven it and its great and drooled about owning it for years but I'm a poor gov't employee :)

History: Bought it from a dealer in NC, and by talking to a land rover guy in atlanta its believe to be a old gypsum mining truck back in the day and has been in storage for who knows how long until it was imported.


IT DOES HAVE A 1961 salvage title. This was done to import it a few years ago. All the paper work has been done and its legal now. He has the title... it was just like a year before the import law ended (25 years) so they slapped a 61 vin on there. Currently located in NC but moving to FL here within a month.



Anyways here it goes:

Biege/Yellow - Camel Trophy :wings:
- Left Hand Conversion !!
- 2.5L Diesel NA (non turbo'd)
- LT77 5 speed manuel trans
- Has around 110-109 miles on it .. its been in storage for a few months and he can't remember
- Aftermarket A/C that WORKS and looks nice.
- Aftermarket block heater
- dual batteries and wench hookup
- bull bar with 2 hella's
- CB ready with additional speaker and quick disconnect antenna mount on right wing. Comes with a 5' black fiberglass tunable Wilson antenna
- Bonnet spare tire mount w/ spare tire
- MOD mounting stuff on the rear door
- drop hitch .. burly

Additional parts added or done by him:

New right front half shaft, bearings, races, and seals

replaced oil bath air filter with new paper filter

new clutch plate and pressure plate with OEM parts

new oem front brake calipers

new speedo cable

new exhaust manifold, rocker cover, and oil pan gaskets

new master and slave cylinders for clutch

new muffler

reupholstered seats

new headlamps

diff, trans, and CV swivels fuild changed within the last years with no leaks

oil and oil fiter changed with purchase

Misc spare parts and manuals .. paid around 100-200 for all that stuff (I was with him when we bought it)



This is the only pic I have available. He is going to get good pics all around and inside pics here in a few weeks when he returns home. If you would like to talk to him just shoot me a email r_burroughs@hotmail.com and I'll shoot you his number.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=34439047&l=7f8c22fb7a&id=46207194

currently has these tires on it:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=34505086&l=1c7f05d70a&id=46207194


He is asking 20k but is negotiable and a easy going guy.
:eek:


Andrew Barton is his name call 704 677 4210

weatherm
03-02-2011, 01:35 PM
FINALLY, I got the pics

http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc291/weatherm/rover2/

enjoy.. his # is 704-677-4210 Andrew Barton

good solid honest truck. Good seller too.

mongoswede
03-02-2011, 09:20 PM
sweet looking truck

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc291/weatherm/rover2/DefenderPhotos9.jpg

Terrys
03-05-2011, 06:47 AM
IT DOES HAVE A 1961 salvage title. This was done to import it a few years ago. All the paper work has been done and its legal now. He has the title... it was just like a year before the import law ended (25 years) so they slapped a 61 vin on there. Currently located in NC but moving to FL here within a month.

When you say it's legal now, are you saying that it is properly titled as an '83 110, but only came in as a '61 something? Are the correct VIN #s still on it? (3 of them)

weatherm
03-22-2011, 03:06 PM
ohh sorry for the late reply. I though I listed this thread as notify me.

It still has the title set to a '61. its titled in NC as a 61 SII.



PRICE UPDATE: He just took a job so the price went down to 15k

give him a call

listed on auto trader as well.

I don't know about the vin's. I did personally see one vin and it came off that '61. I don't know about the others you would have to call and talk to him.


Sorry for being the middle man, please bear with me :P

The Stranger
03-25-2011, 11:30 AM
When you say it's legal now, are you saying that it is properly titled as an '83 110, but only came in as a '61 something? Are the correct VIN #s still on it? (3 of them)

Great livery! (if you can call it "livery")
As a newbie, please forgive my ignorance regarding grey-market importing, but what happens when the buyer has to have the truck inspected upon new registration....and there are conflicting VIN numbers on the '83 110's left corner dash, frame and brake pedal box? So, the inspector won't notice a missing VIN tag in the windshield area, or worse if the '83 VIN is still there. Salvage titles (even rebuilt) can trigger thorough inspections in most states and even if not, the older VIN would trigger further investigation by most RMVs, correct?

Is this a time-bomb, crap-shoot or a good deal?
Google "Wisconsin-Pinzgauer.org" and look at what these poor guys had to endure after their existing registrations were revoked after five years of enjoyment. They are still fighting the legal battle to keep their Pinzgauers on the road. State DMVs are notoriously harsh on grey-market imports and it all depends on which way the wind is blowing sometimes.

Too bad because a 1983 would be exempt under the 25-year rule now anyway. Now you can't go back and do this the correct way anymore without serious complications, right? Even if you had the original import paperwork it would likely show that it was imported too early, what then?

Does anyone out there have direct experience with this type of title (where the VIN tag was obviously swapped)?

gambrinus
04-03-2011, 11:33 AM
Simple DMV paperwork to do a VIN "correction" , not quick... but it can be done. Get everything 100% legal and above board and this would be a good deal. No one wants to dive into a paperwork mess and have it come back as stolen...

RW

The Stranger
04-05-2011, 11:32 AM
Simple DMV paperwork to do a VIN "correction" , not quick... but it can be done. Get everything 100% legal and above board and this would be a good deal. No one wants to dive into a paperwork mess and have it come back as stolen...

RW

I wish that were true. I don't mean to disagree, but I actualy found that this 110 has a VIN from a 61 SWB SII and the VIN tage looked as if it were affixed with chewing gum (in the wrong place). Good luck getting it corrected. You'd be better off finding one with proper papers/VIN documentation. How are you going to prove that this entered the states legally? and good luck trying to convice your insurance carrier this is a '61 SII 88" (they're not as stupid as you think).

This thing originated at Tidewaters at one point, so there is a strong possibility it was imported too early (illegally) and/or worse pieced together with stolen bits.

Anyone who wants to roll the dice on this one has got balls. The truck itself is nice though (solid).

I ran for the exit like a scalded monkey after learning the details about the origins. No matter, it's being broken for parts anyway (or so I hear).

gambrinus
04-06-2011, 05:31 PM
The process to get the paperwork 100% legal and correct will vary by state. Some states may let you register it as a "kit car" or "reconstructed vehicle". Until the paperwork is right, it's nothing more than a mobile pile of spare parts for someone.

RW

meatblanket
04-06-2011, 09:33 PM
I wish that were true. I don't mean to disagree, but I actualy found that this 110 has a VIN from a 61 SWB SII and the VIN tage looked as if it were affixed with chewing gum (in the wrong place). Good luck getting it corrected. You'd be better off finding one with proper papers/VIN documentation. How are you going to prove that this entered the states legally? and good luck trying to convice your insurance carrier this is a '61 SII 88" (they're not as stupid as you think).

This thing originated at Tidewaters at one point, so there is a strong possibility it was imported too early (illegally) and/or worse pieced together with stolen bits.

Anyone who wants to roll the dice on this one has got balls. The truck itself is nice though (solid).

I ran for the exit like a scalded monkey after learning the details about the origins. No matter, it's being broken for parts anyway (or so I hear).

I think this would most likely not cause a problem (in CO anyway), based on my experience. You might want the VIN attached with something other than gum, but last time I had a verification of VIN done here (in CO this is done not by law enforcement, but by a private subcontractor) the guy had me read it to him while he wrote it down.;)

The problem would only arise if you made a first party claim against your own insurance carrier, they might not want to pay to repair a 110 when they were collecting a premium for a '61 Series Rover. That might cause an insurance carrier to deny first party coverage based on misrepresentation.

There is some peace of mind in knowing that the vehicle is properly titled, but I really doubt that 110 would present any significant risk where I live anyway. But this is the wild west, we don't even have a vehicle inspection program.:thumb-up:

It does make the truck a lot less marketable when it comes time to sell, particularly now that there are more and more properly titled trucks coming in.

The Stranger
04-07-2011, 01:48 PM
The process to get the paperwork 100% legal and correct will vary by state. Some states may let you register it as a "kit car" or "reconstructed vehicle". Until the paperwork is right, it's nothing more than a mobile pile of spare parts for someone.

RW

...unless Customs, DOT or some other federal agency find you first.
Either way, ownership of a truck like this represents a certain degree of risk that is not acceptable to some.

There are "layers" of issues with this particular offering.

I agree that state laws vary considerably and while you may have no problem in CO, the peoples Republic of California may be a different story. Obtaining a title in a US state does not mean that the truck is legal. That's not really the underlying issue with this truck. In this case, the VIN tag came from a 1961 88" rover which could never be confused with a LWB 110" (in terms of chassis), so the VIN has obviously been swapped (a felony with 3-5 year sentence BTW).
The real and correct VIN remains clearly visible on the frame ahead of the front wheel. This VIN is a 17-digit type that will tell you the proper history. I'd have less of a problem if the VIN came from a late Series 3 109/110", but come on an S2 88" title? really? Good luck with your insurance if ANYONE files a claim on that.

Also, without Customs clearance history or paperwork, this is absolutely subject to seizure - FACT. No such documentation exists.

Those that would like to roll the dice on ownership are taking a HUGE risk. There is a right way and wrong way to import Rovers and this was most certaintly the latter.

Finally, you can easily do the math on this. The truck is supposedly an '83 right?, but the actual VIN (SALLDHAC7BA252300) on the chassis suggests it's late in the run, so most likely an '85 or '86 and since it's Ex-MOD, the UK V5 was probably incorrect as well. The owner has owned it for three years, prior to which it was in the capable hands of :rolleyes: Tidewater Rovers. First grade math tells us that this chassis was imported prior to the 25-year threshold most likely as a "car part", then re-mated with 110 body after arrival. Done all the time, I know, but NOT legit by any stretch.

I am NOT a rover expert (in fact I'm a newbie), but have traded vintage cars (including grey-market European cars) for years. I am NOT an attorney but I have spoken to numerous experts and attorneys (including Customs Brokers, Insurance Agents and others) and there is a HUGE problem with a lot of 110s in the states right now. People in the UK know it, "specialists" here know it and you better believe the Feds and insurance companies know it. The problem is somewhat unique to 110s because the NAS 90s are prevelant enough and the simple, modular construction of the 110 that has remained unchanged in 25+ years has led to a lot of "car parts" arriving in the states, only to re-emerge as a complete vehicle.

CAVEAT EMPTOR my freinds.
None of this matters if you're using it on a ranch in Colorado because the likelihood of anyone caring, let alone finding the vehicle is remote. So therefore, you should be paying used farm-tractor prices for these 110s, not discounted NAS Defender 110 prices.

Maryland 110
04-25-2011, 09:08 PM
the only way to get this truck legal would be to export it and re-import it sucessfully with a correct foreign registration. This cost would most likely exceed the value of the truck.

Skookumchuck
04-30-2011, 09:05 AM
Drive it to Canada and I will register it here and then sell it to you for a $1.00 and then you can reimport it to the US all legal like it wouldn't be to difficult. We only have to have them be 15yrs old up here to be imported so if I had a bill of sale for the truck and it passes inspection it could be registered and then exported.:thumb-up:

ACP30470
05-15-2011, 08:20 AM
I have a chassis, VIN plate, and registration (1983) that are all matching serial #'s. Drive to Canada, and import back to US legally. :thumb-up:

Infantryman
11-08-2011, 10:12 AM
If so, could you send a link for more photos?

Thanks

firepilot13
07-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Hi all,
Found this thread after entering the VIN of the 110 in question. I recently purchased this 110 from NC but I live in GA. It was sold as a parts vehicle, no motor or transmission. I installed both and am now driving this Beast!! I have the 110 registered and insured in GA as a 1985 110 which is what it is after some research of the VIN, and it was inspected by a law enforcement official (cop). I do not have a title, but in Georgia, you don't need one!!! Each state has its own rules and regulations.....6779

Moose
07-13-2012, 06:39 PM
That 110 looks GREAT! What motor did you drop in to it?

Brett

msggunny
07-14-2012, 05:28 PM
Nice, Im sure a lot of people were very nervous about buying that with out proper documentation. Glad to see you made it work. Awesome truck, glad its on the road and not a coke can now....

Ncrover725
07-14-2012, 10:16 PM
I agree. Awesome looking Rover!

firepilot13
07-21-2012, 09:59 AM
Thanks Guys!!
Moose I put a 2.5L turbo Diesel in it...

John