$84K question

[mrdoiron]

Any reason why anyone would pay this - for this ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-Rover-Defender-Series-II-A-1967-LAND-ROVER-NAS-SERIES-II-A-109-Station-Wagon-Full-Frame-off-/170712917441?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27bf4865c1#ht_30170wt_1182

[Winemark]

Wow should really go directly to a collection. Beyond clean and one of the straightest bodies I have ever seen

[SafeAirOne]

That IS nice. To answer the OP question, this statement in the listing probably contributes:

"(Orvis sold a 1959 fully restored Land Rover 109 Station Wagon in December of 2010 for $160,900.00). "

One insignificant thing I noticed is that either the listed rover or my own rover (not sure which) have the rear axle check straps mounted to the wrong side of the chassis--mine are outboard of the chassis rails.

[o2batsea]

If it's supposed to be a correct resto, then it's just too wrong on so many levels.
If it's supposed to be a working daily driver, then it's good for that. Not a trailer queen by any means. If you need to spend that much for a right lane cruiser, all the best.
While I'd love for Series trucks to be this valuable, they just ain't.

[AU_88]

I feel like this exact truck was on What's My Car Worth on HD Theater/Velocity and sold at auction for $42k.

[LaneRover]

I feel like this exact truck was on What's My Car Worth on HD Theater/Velocity and sold at Auction for $42k.

I do believe it is. Here are the pics I took of it after the Amelia Island Concours D'Elegance earlier this year.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150347574909103.342668.535599102&type=1&l=30020d7e81

[AU_88]

I do believe it is. Here are the pics I took of it after the Amelia Island Concours D'Elegance earlier this year.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150347574909103.342668.535599102&type=1&l=30020d7e81

Yep! And the hammer fell at $39,000.

[SafeAirOne]

Interesting. It looks like it has been proven that the market will bear $39,900 for this rover then? The sign in the window in Lanerover's pic says: For Sale--65k obo. The listing on ebay starts at $84,900?

Perhaps I just don't understand this whole "economics" thing. I like the rover--it is very nice, but the math makes no sense to me.

Having said that, there are always people out there who are unaffected by the ups and downs of the economy and who don't care about the math. I hope the seller gets his asking price.

[lrdukdog]

It's nice but not THAT nice. Yes, the check straps are wrong should be out board of the frame rails.
I would much rather have Jim's 109 in a flash. :thumb-up:
Jim Wolf

[mrdoiron]

It's nice but not THAT nice. Yes, the check straps are wrong should be out board of the frame rails.
I would much rather have Jim's 109 in a flash. :thumb-up:
Jim Wolf

Agreed,
I can certainly appreciate it.

But frankly, I dont find it a very attractive rig. Dont know if it is the stance or the color... certainly the price makes me dislike it more too,

mike

[msggunny]

Because it says Orvis on it. Some clown with more $$$ than sense will buy it so he can brag about it.

If i win that $249milion powerball today i still wouldnt buy it. Just dumb.

It is a nice truck though.

[yorker]

If i win that $249milion powerball today i still wouldnt buy it. Just dumb...


I think I would, if only to drive everyone here bananas. :thumb-up:

[superstator]

Yes, the check straps are wrong should be out board of the frame rails.

Are you sure that wasn't a quirk of the NADA 109's? Mine was set up exactly the same - straps inboard, and I don't remember there being a bracket on the chassis to attach them outboard.

[SafeAirOne]

Are you sure that wasn't a quirk of the NADA 109's? Mine was set up exactly the same - straps inboard, and I don't remember there being a bracket on the chassis to attach them outboard.

The check strap brackets are on both sides of the chassis rail (at least on my '73 109)--The bump stop mounts to the bottom of the check strap brackets on each side of the chassis rail.


I think I would, if only to drive everyone here bananas.

After buying it, you'd have to take it out on the narrowest, brush-lined muddy trail you could find at Guy Fawkes to REALLY drive everyone bananas (well, except me, that is).

[LaneRover]

Well I'd love to have $84K free to spend on all of my Rovers . . .

I'd have the 65 109 for the wife, 109 P-up for me, 66' 88 for the woods and probably a nice little plow truck too. My shop would be a lot nicer in FL and there would be a decent barn in Maine too.

[cedryck]

Seems like a lot of money. But then again someone out there would be willing to pay it. Someone naive.

[lrdukdog]

Seems like a lot of money. But then again someone out there would be willing to pay it. Someone naive.

Probably one of the 1%ers would and think they got a good deal.;)
Jim Wolf

[disco2hse]

Did II-A's have a removable cross member? I thought that was a series III change?

In the series III chassis the axel straps can go on either outside or inside the chassis rail. There are brackets for both options. I guess depending on whether it is a one ton and has the wider axel housing and deeper offset wheels, or if it is the standard 109 with cheese axels.

See where I am going with this? If you look at the chassis in this image, I may be completely wrong and I am sure those who know will tell me, but that galvanised chassis looks like a series III not a II-A.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqYOKiIE5drdWOlIBOdwGV4m0!~~_4.JPG

So as others have said, would make a lovely daily driver. I would call it a rebuild, not a restoration. OME shocks? And that roof liner hasn't been fitted too well.

In this part of the world, umm $6-8 grand. Maybe.

[jac04]

In this part of the world, umm $6-8 grand. Maybe.
That's it. I'm moving to NZ. But first I'll sell my Lightweight and buy 4 or 5 beautiful Rovers when I get there.:thumb-up:

[JimCT]

You all like to poke fun, but what do you think it would cost to get a 109 into that condition? And done at professional hourly rates , not at home?

[jac04]

but what do you think it would cost to get a 109 into that condition? And done at professional hourly rates , not at home?
Here in CT, you are looking at about $70/hour labor for a reputable restoration shop that is capable of performing real restoration-quality work. I put in 1000 hours on my Lightweight restoration/refurbishment. I would say that a professional shop would need about that number of hours for a 109 restoration. That's $70,000. Now depending upon the original condition of the vehicle, you are looking at somewhere between $10k and $40k in parts & materials ($10k assuming you could restore & re-use most parts). So, I'm thinking $80k to $110K if you simply brought a 109 to a professional shop for a turn-key restoration. In other parts of the country, the labor would cost half as much, so figure $45k to $75k.

[Billy5]

Well shop rates are 100 an hour by me. But heres the kicker. One rarely gets back what we put into it. For that money i would go 110. If they get what they want for it, good for them. What I like about Rovers is that, they havent been priced as if they were gold, like the " other Land things". Save for this one though.

[SafeAirOne]

When you're selling somemthing, it doesn't matter what it cost you to make it what it is. That's irrelevant. The only thing that matters when you're selling something is the amount market is willing to pay for the item you have for sale at the time you have it for sale.

It only takes one willing buyer to prove that this is an $85,000 109. In absence of the one willing buyer, the value must lie somewhere else at this particular point in time.