Series III value

[mjbrox]

I am going to inspect a 1982 Series III 109 5-door this weekend

2.25 Diesel
4 spd with 2 spd Fairey overdrive

Tons of recent work, they claim well over $10K with receipts including:

New suspension
New tires
New Brakes
Newer Motor
Bull bar
Starter solenoid
And some other stuff.


I am trying to figure out how much this thing is worth. Obviously there are not a lot of Series II 109s out there to compare with.

[mjbrox]

Also, this thing was imported about a year ago.

I assume getting it regisered is an easy process........?

[jonnyc]

If imported 2 years ago, hasn't it already been registered? If so, the reg should be transferable. I guess it would depend on how it was imported and the registration laws of the state(s) concerned.

[yorker]

It is really hard to tell without pics and more details. The 2.25 diesel is kind of a negative, especially in a 109. A 5 door is usually worth a premium over a 3 door or PU though. New Brakes- which brakes? If they were a disc brake conversion they'd add more to the value than freshly changed standard drums. Bull Bar- meh I'd subtract $ for that in most cases.

Check the frame and bulkhead and make sure you testdrive it somewhere that has hills and highways.

[Lalo88DK]

I dont' know if the price is right, but the fact that the truck is a diesel, should not discourage you from buying it. I'd prefer a diesel any day. A diesel has much better fuel economy, and with the higher fuel prices it can only be a plus. It doesn't suffer from fuel starvation when hot, no problems with water when wading, no constant adjusting, full momentum just where you most need it. I have tried owning a petrol as well, and yes the diesel is noisy and a little bit slower, I love diesels and the one I have now is my third Land-Rover Diesel.

We pay around 9$ for one US gallon of gas/petrol in Europe :eek:

[mjbrox]

The body and interior are both in pretty good shape.

I guess, I am just trying to get some where close.

are we talking $5k, $10k, $15k $20k, $25K

[mjbrox]

http://images.craigslist.org/5Ic5O65Hb3F93J23Hdc3r808fad9caaf51cde.jpg

[bmohan55]

Is this in Richmond Va area? I know someone with a 109 diesel (not the one pictured) and it's VERY slow.

[mjbrox]

Is this in Richmond Va area? I know someone with a 109 diesel (not the one pictured) and it's VERY slow.

No, I am not the one actually looking to buy it.

A buddy of mine is out of state.

this 109 for sale, is it a 5-door?

[yorker]

I dont' know if the price is right, but the fact that the truck is a diesel, should not discourage you from buying it. I'd prefer a diesel any day. A diesel has much better fuel economy, and with the higher fuel prices it can only be a plus.
We pay around 9$ for one US gallon of gas/petrol in Europe :eek:


We pay less than 1/2 of that here. I like diesels but the 2.25d can really make a useful every day vehicle into a hobby truck here, especially for people who haven't been brought up with Land Rovers. A LR person might put up with it for the sake of owning a neat diesel Land Rover but for your average person today it would ruin the experience. Even when they were new the 2.25ds were unpopular here, fuel is just too cheap and distances are too long. A Stage 1 would be a lot better choice here.

[Lalo88DK]

I drive around 15.000 miles a year in my 2,25 Diesel and it's my daily driver. You don't really feel the power difference between the petrol and the diesel.

[yorker]

I drive around 15.000 miles a year in my 2,25 Diesel and I still disagree. You don't really feel the power difference between the two.
Between the 2.25p and 2.25d? Then something is seriously wrong with your petrol motor.:confused: The 2.25 diesel is a dog in comparison, especially so in a laden 109.

[Lalo88DK]

I dont' agree. Have you owned a 2,25 diesel. 62 bhp and 70 bhp not much of a difference. I have driven other petrols as well and still not much difference, I have no problem in keeping up with the petrols. But we will never agree on this. You prefer gas/petrol I prefer Diesel.

[yorker]

Yes have had/driven both and I prefer diesels, but NOT the 2.25 diesel. Your average American is not going to hop in a 2.25d powered 109 and drive 600 miles to their vacation on I-95 and be happy with the experience. I'm sorry but the 2.25d is an archaic and underpowered lump and the 2.25p is tolerable but just. People here complain about 4.0l Discoveries and RRCs being underpowered. An enthusiast will put up with it because it is a Land Rover diesel and he likes Land Rovers but to the average Joe off the street who is used to modern vehicles the engine will seem like a joke. The 2.25d has never been popular in America and there are some very good reasons for that.

[Lalo88DK]

I've gone on holiday and driven quite a bit more than 600 miles in a 2,25 diesel, and loved every minute of it. But If it's power you want, then a classic Land-Rover is not for you.

I will not participate more in this thread/forum, this type of discussion is not for me :(

[mjbrox]

.... so yea......


can we get this back on topic :thumb-up:

[yorker]

.... so yea......


can we get this back on topic :thumb-up:


Really need more details. New frame? welded up and patched old frame? Bulkhead condition? There are just too many variables out there left unknown. Newer motor or newer rebuild? If it was a rebuild did they go through it all or did they just do the rings? Has the injection pump been overhauled with Viton seals? How many miles are on the truck? Was it a frame off restoration or just done bit here a bit there? Was it restored by a quality shop in the US or slapped together to look good in the uk so it could be foisted off on an unsuspecting American? Reciepts are nice and can be helpful- I have some dating back 4 decades. Makes a cool bit of history for the truck but doesn't always reflect in the current value. It is just super hard to establish a value without seeing such a truck first hand.

Check the frame out,and the firewall aka bulkhead look closely for rust and shoddy repairs/fish plating/bodo and Great Stuff. Look for the same bodges you'd look for on a modern vehicle. Take it for a test drive and make sure all the bits work. Once you report back with more pics etc we could give you a better idea of what it might be worth- even then it is pretty subjective.

[mjbrox]

Really need more details. New frame? welded up and patched old frame? Bulkhead condition? There are just too many variables out there left unknown. Newer motor or newer rebuild? If it was a rebuild did they go through it all or did they just do the rings? Has the injection pump been overhauled with Viton seals? How many miles are on the truck? Was it a frame off restoration or just done bit here a bit there? Was it restored by a quality shop in the US or slapped together to look good in the uk so it could be foisted off on an unsuspecting American? Reciepts are nice and can be helpful- I have some dating back 4 decades. Makes a cool bit of history for the truck but doesn't always reflect in the current value. It is just super hard to establish a value without seeing such a truck first hand.

Check the frame out,and the firewall aka bulkhead look closely for rust and shoddy repairs/fish plating/bodo and Great Stuff. Look for the same bodges you'd look for on a modern vehicle. Take it for a test drive and make sure all the bits work. Once you report back with more pics etc we could give you a better idea of what it might be worth- even then it is pretty subjective.









Hell if I know. here is the link http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/2861981125.html

Going to go look at it this weekend. I think $16k is a bit high

[jonnyc]

That link is for:
"1997 Land Rover Discovery XD - $11500 (Central Austin)"

[mjbrox]

That link is for:
"1997 Land Rover Discovery XD - $11500 (Central Austin)"

woops, that guys is smoking crack. No one will pay that for a crappy old disco. I dont care what color it is


anyway, here is the 109 http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/2926426443.html

[amcordo]

I'm not sure we need a whole lot more information. $10K is too much. When I was searching for mine I saw quite a few with galvanized frames, petrol motors in the 5-7 range. A few real nice ones around $9K. I got mine for 3.5K and it was running fine, just not historically accurate.

So basically what I'm saying is you should be paying between 5-10K, otherwise walk and keep looking. One will pop up with a better engine for less.

[mjbrox]

I'm not sure we need a whole lot more information. $10K is too much. When I was searching for mine I saw quite a few with galvanized frames, petrol motors in the 5-7 range. A few real nice ones around $9K. I got mine for 3.5K and it was running fine, just not historically accurate.

So basically what I'm saying is you should be paying between 5-10K, otherwise walk and keep looking. One will pop up with a better engine for less.


where did you see these at.

How did you search?

you want to sell your green one :)

[amcordo]

First off - I spent three months searching for mine and had three inspections done on seperate vehicles before I found it 400 miles from where I lived.

Use search tempest to search all of craigslist, watch ebay, and, to a lesser extent, watch the various forums for listings.

Craigslist is where I found mine and it took a while to find it. I really did find a lot of well priced ones on there!

[amcordo]

Sorry, I love mine too much to sell! :)

[yorker]

If it is a rust free frame why were the outriggers replaced?

Too much $ IMHO. I am sure someone here could go down the list he provides blow by blow.

[jac04]

Too much $ IMHO.
I would agree. Unless he is going to come way down on the price don't even waste your time going to look at it.

One thing to keep in mind is this statement from the list:
"All work accomplished in the UK by Land Rover specialist"

Nothing against the folks across the pond, but (in my opinion) they look at Land Rovers much differently than some of us. I guess I'll leave it at that.

[jonnyc]

Great vehicle, but way too much for what it ultimately is, a 2.25D 109. I think most of us spent months (or more!) diligently searching before we ended up with our Rovers. It takes time, but you will end up with the perfect one. Well, maybe the second or third.

[disco2hse]

If it is a rust free frame why were the outriggers replaced?

Too much $ IMHO. I am sure someone here could go down the list he provides blow by blow.

Because in the UK, with the salt they put on the roads every winter, there is no such thing as a rust free chassis, or foot wells, doors, firewall, etc.

Looks to have been recently repainted. You don't know what is lurking under that shiny green paint. I suspect the owner imported something and got some other thing they did not expect. I suspect then that the owner has subsequently realised their mistake and is trying to make back what they spent. Just seen that scenario before, there are plenty of people in the UK who are giving old Rovers a face lift and putting them on the US export market where frankly, they get some silly prices.

The comments on here about $3500 are much more realistic.

In this part of the world, you would not pay more than $5000 for one. Regardless of condition. And we don't use salt on our roads.

[yorker]

I would agree. Unless he is going to come way down on the price don't even waste your time going to look at it...

Oh I don't know it could make for an entertaining day if you have nothing else to do and it isn't too far out of your way to go check it out. The test drive itself could be a real eye opener. :D

[mjbrox]

my buddy looked at it.

It would grind gears every time he went into second. It leaked alot of oil from trans and motor. and 3 out 4 doors had major rust. Frame had rust as well.

[jumpmaster54]

Wanted to ask a respectful question to gauge worth and I value this forums opinion. Need to insure my investment. So what is retail value and insurance valu as I am hearing they are different.

Details, 1967 NADA 109 Station Wagon 6 cylinder Pastel Green worth. It has all new seats (Rovers North Elephant Hide), new tires times 5, has all photos of frame and body before and after new paint job and undercoating to show original solid condition with no rust and 55,000 miles. New shocks n(RN higher end shocks), new springs front and rear, new seatbelts times 10 (2 shoulder and 8 static),

Accessories include Safari full length rack and ladder, visor, 5 foldable steps all way round, front keonig winch, 2 man brabnd new tent on top with changing room addition, 103 inch awning mounted to the rack with complete mosquito netting.

Stan

[yorker]

my buddy looked at it.

It would grind gears every time he went into second. It leaked alot of oil from trans and motor. and 3 out 4 doors had major rust. Frame had rust as well.


Sounds pretty typical. Keep hunting, you'll find something better. :thumb-up:

[mjbrox]

Wanted to ask a respectful question to gauge worth and I value this forums opinion. Need to insure my investment. So what is retail value and insurance valu as I am hearing they are different.

Details, 1967 NADA 109 Station Wagon 6 cylinder Pastel Green worth. It has all new seats (Rovers North Elephant Hide), new tires times 5, has all photos of frame and body before and after new paint job and undercoating to show original solid condition with no rust and 55,000 miles. New shocks n(RN higher end shocks), new springs front and rear, new seatbelts times 10 (2 shoulder and 8 static),

Accessories include Safari full length rack and ladder, visor, 5 foldable steps all way round, front keonig winch, 2 man brabnd new tent on top with changing room addition, 103 inch awning mounted to the rack with complete mosquito netting.

Stan

according to this site, regardless of what you say.

Your truck is a rusty pile of **** and worth $6k tops. :p

[jumpmaster54]

What part of my post below did you miss, oh yes, the part where I stated I was asking a respectful question. My rover has never had any rust and there are more than $6000 in parts added. Thanks for your message and I have always believed Land Rover community did not act this way, hopefully an isolated incident. I am lkiking this sitre and most members are helpful and honest and I appreciate it.

Regards Stan

[mjbrox]

What part of my post below did you miss, oh yes, the part where I stated I was asking a respectful question. My rover has never had any rust and there are more than $6000 in parts added. Thanks for your message and I have always believed Land Rover community did not act this way, hopefully an isolated incident. I am lkiking this sitre and most members are helpful and honest and I appreciate it.

Regards Stan

check out this link, it will explain my post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[mjbrox]

Sounds pretty typical. Keep hunting, you'll find something better. :thumb-up:

He did have fun looking at it, so it was not a waste

[jumpmaster54]

I posted my value question in the wrong place. My rover was not the one he was looking at. Buty I did like your sarcasm.

Stan

[amcordo]

Insure it for a set amount with an insurance company willing to do so. And then, insure it for whatever you have put into it at least. That way if it ever explodes you can at least get your money back. I've got mine insured for a value of $15,000.00.






Wanted to ask a respectful question to gauge worth and I value this forums opinion. Need to insure my investment. So what is retail value and insurance valu as I am hearing they are different.

Details, 1967 NADA 109 Station Wagon 6 cylinder Pastel Green worth. It has all new seats (Rovers North Elephant Hide), new tires times 5, has all photos of frame and body before and after new paint job and undercoating to show original solid condition with no rust and 55,000 miles. New shocks n(RN higher end shocks), new springs front and rear, new seatbelts times 10 (2 shoulder and 8 static),

Accessories include Safari full length rack and ladder, visor, 5 foldable steps all way round, front keonig winch, 2 man brabnd new tent on top with changing room addition, 103 inch awning mounted to the rack with complete mosquito netting.

Stan

[davemacinnh]

according to this site, regardless of what you say.

Your truck is a rusty pile of **** and worth $6k tops. :p

Your a pile of ****. Have seen the truck in person? No? Then shut your hole. I'm tired of the negativity on here. You don't know all and because you say " because of what people say it worth 6k" is stupid. Shame on you

[davemacinnh]

my buddy looked at it.

It would grind gears every time he went into second. It leaked alot of oil from trans and motor. and 3 out 4 doors had major rust. Frame had rust as well.

No he didn't. Are you 100% certain this was the one? If not you owe someone and apologie. Please people do some research!

[davemacinnh]

Everyone here should be ashamed. Please think twice before posting

[disco2hse]

Your a pile of ****. Have seen the truck in person? No? Then shut your hole. I'm tired of the negativity on here. You don't know all and because you say " because of what people say it worth 6k" is stupid. Shame on you

Oh come on. Don't be so self righteous.

Read the entire thread before you condemn others.



check out this link, it will explain my post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm


I posted my value question in the wrong place. My rover was not the one he was looking at. Buty I did like your sarcasm.

Stan

********


Everyone here should be ashamed. Please think twice before posting

Indeed

[jumpmaster54]

Well I am almost sorry I asked. All I know is I love my Rover and will always be a Rover owner and this site has helped me out a lot.

WE are all Rover Family so I am putting myself in a time-out and choose to keep wheeling. Joiun me Rover Brothers and Sisters. Its a small clan, not infighting.

Stan

[yorker]

No he didn't. Are you 100% certain this was the one? If not you owe someone and apologie. Please people do some research!

He was talking about another 109 (http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/2926426443.html) entirely-not Jumpmaster's.:rolleyes:

[mjbrox]

bwhahahahaa.

I am sorry, I come from discoweb, so you will have to excuse my manners.

[yorker]

I guess we are lucky you didn't come from Pirate!!! ;)

[mjbrox]

I guess we are lucky you didn't come from Pirate!!! ;)

I could roll with Pirate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_V_BtxrnYY