Shift linkage question

[ducttape]

I am looking at a Series III that I test drove today. Can anyone answer a question?

The shift linkage is the widest, loosest I have ever driven. (Granted, not a whole lot of Rover driving time here)

Is that normal? I mean, when not in gear it was all over the place. I don't know the cause of that in general, or the consequences of it. Is it normal, and/or should I worry?

Thanks!
David

[graniterover]

My guess is that it's normal, but I don't know what you consider 'all over the place'. I would guess I can move my shifter 18 inches left to right.

You need to be more careful of reverse not working and/or it popping out of gear.

Just check the bulkhead and frame, everything else is easy.

[jp-]

Shifter slop is quite normal in S3's (from what I hear) as the shifter has a plastic ball on the end. S2's had steel balls.

Replace the plastic ball or fit an earlier S2 shifter.

[BackInA88]

I just rebuilt my Series IIa trans into fully synchro.
The Series III trans I got for the conversion had a shifter with the steel ball end and O-ring groove.
The ball on my old shifter had pretty good size flat spots worn on it.
After using the Series III's shift I found there was a huge reduction in free play.
It's much nicer and easier to shift.

[ducttape]

Thanks, I think all of these put it into proper perspective. David

[Pete]

It could also mean the 2 springs that connect the reverse gate are broken. If they are broken that would add another 3+ inches of movement.

Pete

[ducttape]

you're not helping, Pete...

Seriously, thanks. I've pretty much made up my mind I'm in. So I imagine I'll be back with ALL SORTS of questions and stuff. This truck rides a tad differently than my 73 2002tii.

:)

[Tim Smith]

Hi from another past 2002 owner. 76' vintage as I remember, but it was a round tail light. You tell me...

Any way, if you could drive a 2002, then a series rover shifter should feel like Ferrari precision engineering at your hand. No muddy shifting.

There is a lot more throw in the shifting shaft of a rover but don't forget that these are basically farm tractors with the added plus of jumping on the highway every once in a while. Moving you arm a half foot to get it into the next gear isn't really a problem.

If however you do have worn shifters, then you might find yourself in my situation at some point.

Point for first gear, and you find the shifter went to some weird place that you are unaware of.
Try to accelerate and realize you are either in third, reverse, neutral or some combination of them. But stuck good!
When the horns start, don't freak out. Didn't you hear me? Stop freaking out!!! PUT THAT MIDDLE FINGER DOWN! You are a series driver now and you have more character than that! As they are paying 500+ a month for a car they will never own, you are free to break down right in front of them and ruin their owner experience.
Now take out your handy flat head screwdriver which you had on-board (yup nautical terms now baby).
Unscrew the low range lever bracket on the tunnel (yes you are sitting inside the cab) without removing the knob, or anything else of importance.
Then crawl in on the passenger side (of a left hand drive) and align the shifting levers into neutral with your shiftier in the middle. A flashlight might be needed for this.
Lastly drive off knowing that you just saved your self a few hundred in towing costs, warranty repairs and leasing for the month.
Oh yeah, place the screwdriver where you found. Under the last place you will look...Cheers,
Tim

[BackInA88]

you're not helping, Pete...

Seriously, thanks. I've pretty much made up my mind I'm in. So I imagine I'll be back with ALL SORTS of questions and stuff. This truck rides a tad differently than my 73 2002tii.

:)


That 2002 had a shift what 8-10 inches long?
What's the LR 24 inches?

A little slop mades a big difference at that radio.:D

BTW... Who can recommend and good radar detector to but in my IIa?
And has anyone done power side mirrors?
Those fender mirrors are a pain to adjust!;)

[ducttape]

That 2002 had a shift what 8-10 inches long?
What's the LR 24 inches?

A little slop mades a big difference at that radio.:D

BTW... Who can recommend and good radar detector to but in my IIa?


Round lights stopped in 73 I believe. the BIG bumper (everything is relative) started in 74

Radar detector? I actually said to my son "Well, at least there will be no need for one of those!" pointing to my Escort.

I'm actually looking forward to this experience. :)

[a109]

Notes on series shifting characteristics:
It is a long shifter lever so the throw will seem long compared to short car type shifters.
The series 3 shifter had a plastic ball to engage the selector slot, these wore quickly and have often been replace by the series 2a style.
The series 2 shifters had a metal ball to enage the selector slot with rubber O ring in a groove to deaden rattling. The O ring lasted about .5 miles from new.
The S2 metal ball does wear eventually and gives a sloppy shift when it does.
If there is little or no resistance to reverse engagement one or both springs on the mechanism are missing/unhooked. These springs are external to the gear box.
If you find the shifter is in an akward position it can be heated and bent to be more comfortable.
John

[Tim Smith]

That 2002 had a shift what 8-10 inches long?
What's the LR 24 inches?

Yes I agree that the shifting arm has a longer throw but once you have it in gear, you know it. My 2002 could have been mistaken for being in neutral no matter what gear you were in. I was told that this was characteristic of the cars and got used to it.


BTW... Who can recommend and good radar detector to but in my IIa?

How about a passenger with good eyes and a loud voice. :)


And has anyone done power side mirrors?
Those fender mirrors are a pain to adjust!;)

I think it's easiest to adjust them backwards. Put your head about in the viewing area of what you want to see and then adjust till you can see the drivers seat.

[LaneRover]

I have found that the only time I have ever needed a radar detector in my Rover is around school zones.

One night I did get stopped by a cop... ...who wanted to know more aobut my Rover.

[BackInA88]

Ah, no radar detector in the LR for me.
I have one in my Vette but I don't need it with the wife next to me as I am always going to fast.
For some reason I don't have this problem in the LR??;)
I won't hear her in the LR anyway.:D

I tried adjusting the mirrors backwards as well.
Never have gone them just right that way though.

What do you guy think about power side windows?:o

[jp-]

Ah, no radar detector in the LR for me.
I have one in my Vette but I don't need it with the wife next to me as I am always going to fast.
For some reason I don't have this problem in the LR??;)
I won't hear her in the LR anyway.:D

I tried adjusting the mirrors backwards as well.
Never have gone them just right that way though.

What do you guy think about power side windows?:o

Get a second person to adjust the mirrors, while you tell them where you want them. It's not that hard guys...


Power side windows would be a waste of money, they'd short out in the first fording attempt.

[BackInA88]

Have you ever tried to drag your wife from her gardening to tweaking the mirrors around?:D

I'm just happy she loves the truck.
The latest problem is she wants me to paint the rig.
Now I have to get her to change her mind.
I like the rough look.

[jp-]

Have you ever tried to drag your wife from her gardening to tweaking the mirrors around?:D

I'm not married, but anyone will do. It takes only a moment.


I'm just happy she loves the truck.
The latest problem is she wants me to paint the rig.
Now I have to get her to change her mind.
I like the rough look.

This is easy. Just give her a bill for a new paint gun ($300 min. for a good one), one gallon of paint ($200+; Dupont of course), lacquer thinner, orbital sander, sandpaper, primers, hardener, reducer, respirator, etc... ($250+ easy).

I think she'll understand.:thumb-up:

[jp-]

Oh,

And if she agrees to pay for everything, just paint the damn thing, because you are one lucky guy.

[BackInA88]

Oh,

And if she agrees to pay for everything, just paint the damn thing, because you are one lucky guy.

You don't understand I think she likes the truck more than me.
When I pulled the trans to rework it to full synchro I came home to find her between the frames rails standing on the garage floor scrubbing everything she could reach with a nylon brush and soapy water!!!!
Including both gas tanks.

I told her it would cost $3000 to paint it right, inside and out, she was OK with this!!:eek:

I think she wants my damn truck!!!!!!!!

Forget about me asking earlier about power windows, radar detectors & power mirrors I just realized I am going to need an alarm system and a Lojack!!:rolleyes:

[jp-]

I think she wants my damn truck!!!!!!!!

A distinct possibility...


Forget about me asking earlier about power windows, radar detectors & power mirrors I just realized I am going to need an alarm system and a Lojack!!:rolleyes:


Or a kill switch,

Or another truck.

But definitely not another woman.:thumb-up:

It's not often that you find a woman that wants a man for his Land Rover. Usually, they want you for the sports car.

[Tim Smith]

You don't understand I think she likes the truck more than me.

Everyone keep an eye out for "Ms. BackInA88" on the forum! Sounds like a domestic dispute brewing, and we all know the statistics. We may have to alert the authorities.

Just looking out for our own... uh.. legal owners on the forum.

[singingcamel]

:cheers: :gulp:well said , wonderful:thumb-up:





Hi from another past 2002 owner. 76' vintage as I remember, but it was a round tail light. You tell me...

Any way, if you could drive a 2002, then a series rover shifter should feel like Ferrari precision engineering at your hand. No muddy shifting.

There is a lot more throw in the shifting shaft of a rover but don't forget that these are basically farm tractors with the added plus of jumping on the highway every once in a while. Moving you arm a half foot to get it into the next gear isn't really a problem.

If however you do have worn shifters, then you might find yourself in my situation at some point.

Point for first gear, and you find the shifter went to some weird place that you are unaware of.
Try to accelerate and realize you are either in third, reverse, neutral or some combination of them. But stuck good!
When the horns start, don't freak out. Didn't you hear me? Stop freaking out!!! PUT THAT MIDDLE FINGER DOWN! You are a series driver now and you have more character than that! As they are paying 500+ a month for a car they will never own, you are free to break down right in front of them and ruin their owner experience.
Now take out your handy flat head screwdriver which you had on-board (yup nautical terms now baby).
Unscrew the low range lever bracket on the tunnel (yes you are sitting inside the cab) without removing the knob, or anything else of importance.
Then crawl in on the passenger side (of a left hand drive) and align the shifting levers into neutral with your shiftier in the middle. A flashlight might be needed for this.
Lastly drive off knowing that you just saved your self a few hundred in towing costs, warranty repairs and leasing for the month.
Oh yeah, place the screwdriver where you found. Under the last place you will look...Cheers,
Tim

[singingcamel]

it could also have that locater clip missing allowing the shift lever go any way it wants.
there a small clip that holds the lever in the proper location.
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