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new2seriesrovers
12-13-2012, 10:59 PM
I have a 69 Series 2A 109 5 Dr. The vehicle was said to be a frame off restoration. The 6 cyl. was replaced with a 2.25 Petrol. The vehicle dips or sags to the LH driverside. The gap between the rear wheel and rear side panel on the driverside is about 2-3 inches, the gap on the passenger side is about 4-5 inches. She looks somewhat cockeyed headed down the road. The fan blade also brushes the radiator shroud towards the driverside. I'm thinking either I have a twist in the frame, or she was reassembled by someone who didn't have a clue, including the 6 to 4 cyl. conversion, or this is pretty much the norm for this truck. Any advice on where to start.

I Leak Oil
12-14-2012, 04:41 AM
Can't say for sure over the internet but some of it could just be general poor Rover build quality only some though. I think the engine mounts are different from 6 cyl to 4 cyl. so how did they achieve that swap? Almost sounds like they didn't know what they were doing or didn't care about their workmanship.

Original factory frame or replacement?

o2batsea
12-14-2012, 07:01 AM
The first thing to suspect are the springs. I assume they are the original 11 (or whatever) leaf units, yes? At rest there should be a nice sweeping arc along the length and no splaying at the ends or daylight showing between any of the leaves. If they seem OK in that regard, then look at the angle of the shackles. They should be the same one side to the other. Then inspect the rubber bushings for wear. If those check out, the next thing would be something horrible like the spring mounts on the frame have rusted out and pushed up into the chassis. Since it is supposed to be a recent frame, this doesn't seem likely.
Where to start? Throw us some pics of the truck sitting on a level surface, the underside, and the springs.
If you do need springs, it is one of the least horrible and most satisfying DIY jobs you can do on your truck.
You'll get to enjoy the wonders of burning out chassis bushings, sawzalling shackles and bolts, installing bushings, etc.

jac04
12-14-2012, 07:33 AM
Give us a location, too. If you're close, stop on by and I'll take a look at it for you.

busboy
12-14-2012, 06:30 PM
As mentioned first suspect the springs especially if it was parked on uneven ground. Over the years I have had mine re-arched a number of time along with adding an extra thick leaf to the rear and mine is now leaning again so thinking about parabolic ones.

new2seriesrovers
12-14-2012, 09:55 PM
[QUOTE=I Leak Oil;90786]Can't say for sure over the internet but some of it could just be general poor Rover build quality only some though. I think the engine mounts are different from 6 cyl to 4 cyl. so how did they achieve that swap? Almost sounds like they didn't know what they were doing or didn't care about their workmanship.

Original factory frame or replacement?[Original frame with a lot of weld and new steel in areas. The work really doesn't look that bad, but I am concerned about the straightness. Not sure about the engine conversion. Everything appears to be solid. ]

new2seriesrovers
12-14-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm up in Maine, around the mid-coast area. I have the truck in storage for the winter. Right now the undercarriage has a cherry appearance, even if it is out of wack. Not sure if I'm going to keep the vehicle at this time, so I'm trying to keep it clean until I decide. The winter roads in Maine are nasty on vehicles. The truck is also a heater delete vehicle, it came from South America. I'm going to try and get her driving right next spring.

new2seriesrovers
12-14-2012, 10:14 PM
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new2seriesrovers
12-14-2012, 10:16 PM
I attached a few photos. A lot of work was done to this truck, but I'm thinking the quality of work was not so good.

o2batsea
12-14-2012, 10:44 PM
It's hard to tell from the pic but that looks like a 4 cylinder bulkhead. Rest looks awfully good. I suspect the springs. Someone added helper leaves to the rears as though they were already sagging.

busboy
12-15-2012, 09:03 AM
Those don't look like factory springs, the leafs are too thick and not enough of them, probably the springs that came with the axles, even still think springs first. Even if one side of the Landrover was that much heavier than the other causing the lean it could be corrected with the right spring arc, which can be adjusted. As for the heater... One of the first things I did with mine was rip out the heater, I used an after market 3 speed AC fan motor and squirrel cage from a chevy van then a heater core from a full size Dodge. That said if you want simplicity you can buy NEW heater kits from Landrover parts places I just didn't think they had the capacity to keep heat in it with no floor mats or insulation up in the great white North. lol. Oh yeh, I also threw away the fan shroud recently they just get in the way of servicing things, I had removed it years ago and kept it in case I wanted to reinstall it. Never found a reason to put it back on.

After looking at the pics again the front ones are Landrover springs, not sure about the back, how many leafs in the rear ones?

jac04
12-15-2012, 12:08 PM
It also looks like the rear spring shackles are different from one side to the other. A quick check with a tape measure will tell you if the length is different.

new2seriesrovers
12-15-2012, 07:15 PM
It's hard to tell from the pic but that looks like a 4 cylinder bulkhead. Rest looks awfully good. I suspect the springs. Someone added helper leaves to the rears as though they were already sagging.

Thanks for the help, and the good advise to work with. Can't wait to get working on her this coming spring.