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  • learyseamus
    Low Range
    • Jun 2012
    • 40

    Yikes, 109 tries to move forward, but can not overcome something

    I was sure I had a problem with the parking brake linkage or spring, but with the drum off I still can not move forward ( it rolls reverse just fine). It tries, but it is like I am driving against a chock that is too large for the wheels to roll over. I wind up-move an inch or so forward-until feels like a dangerous amount of pressure, push in the clutch and the truck rolls back to its original position. New wheel cylinders and pads just went on to the front, but are slack to seat the new shoes over time. Also, new hub seals. I'm about to jack up and see if the front wheels move.
    this problem happened before working on the brakes, and solid rap with a hammer to the hand brake drum released something.
    Ill be rolling around in the mud trying to figure it out, so if you have any ideas, I'd love to here'm. Cheers
    Bryan Deel

    1967 109 3 Door, 2.6l, RHD
    1972 88 2.25, LHD
  • RNZack
    Administrator
    • Sep 2011
    • 426

    #2
    Give this a shot...jack up the vehicle, or each corner, and try to rotate the wheel forward and backwards. Report back...

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    • learyseamus
      Low Range
      • Jun 2012
      • 40

      #3
      Each front wheel will spin in reverse, but not forward with truck in neutral. Thats jacking one wheel at a time.
      Bryan Deel

      1967 109 3 Door, 2.6l, RHD
      1972 88 2.25, LHD

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      • Les Parker
        RN Sales Team - Super Moderator
        • May 2006
        • 2020

        #4
        Where is the red lever? Pointing at the bulkhead or to the seat box.
        Try selecting neutral (in the middle) and see if that helps with moving the vehicle.
        Les Parker
        Tech. Support and Parts Specialist
        Rovers North Inc.

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        • siii8873
          Overdrive
          • Jul 2007
          • 1013

          #5
          do you have the shoes and springs on correct w/ leading edge chamfer. I had one set of aftermarket shoes without this and they were also to large, same issue.
          THING 1 - 1973 88 SIII - SOLD
          THING 2 -1974 88 SIII Daily Driver - SOLD
          THING 3 - 1969 88 SIIA Bugeye Project
          THING 4 - 1971 109 SIIA ExMod - SOLD
          THING 5 - 1958 109 PU
          THING 6 - 1954 86" HT

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          • learyseamus
            Low Range
            • Jun 2012
            • 40

            #6
            In neutral (red lever), theres no moving forward. I could force it I think. After moving backwards and forwards, the problem released before, but I really want to get to the bottom of it.
            Bryan Deel

            1967 109 3 Door, 2.6l, RHD
            1972 88 2.25, LHD

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            • SafeAirOne
              Overdrive
              • Apr 2008
              • 3435

              #7
              So with the red lever in neutral you still have an issue then?

              If so, be systematic about your approach. Narrow down the issue to front, back or middle.For example:

              Chock both sides of both left wheels, put the transfer case in neutral lift both right side wheels and check for the problem.

              Assuming the problem is there, remove the handbrake drum. Slide it back on the driveshaft and check if the problem is still there. If it is, reinstall the drum and disconnect the rear driveshaft from the rear diff.

              Is the problem still there on the raised rear wheel? If not, the problem is not on the rear axle; Check the front axle.

              If the problem IS still there, remove the hub drive flange on the raised wheel. Is the problem still there? If so the problem is somewhere on the rear hub or brakes of that raised wheel.

              If the problem disappears, reinstall the drive flange,, lower that wheel and raise the opposite wheel and remove THAT drive flange and check for the problem on the newly raised wheel. If the problem is still there, the issue is on the newly-raised wheel's hub or brakes. If the problem is gone, then the issue is within the rear diff itself.




              See what I mean? isolate the problem--This could be anything from a loose mainshaft nut in the transmission to a failure of one of the brake wheel cylinders to release.
              --Mark

              1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

              0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
              (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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              • learyseamus
                Low Range
                • Jun 2012
                • 40

                #8
                Status update: was able to rule out hand brake and rear end. With front drums off the hubs spin freely. The shoes seem to be able to move about a little easier than I expected and with the shoes backed off I can turn the hubs forward but it feels rough. Also, one wheel when turned back and the forward suddenly makes a clunk I feel is in the diff. Which will come off next. Thanks for your advice!
                Bryan Deel

                1967 109 3 Door, 2.6l, RHD
                1972 88 2.25, LHD

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                • SafeAirOne
                  Overdrive
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3435

                  #9
                  Were all the front brake springs intact/installed correctly?
                  --Mark

                  1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                  0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                  (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                  • learyseamus
                    Low Range
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 40

                    #10
                    I took the shoes off put the drum and wheel back on and I can now turn the wheel forwards, but I hear a thump every third or forth rotation coming the differential I think. With the wheel off the hub spins smooth. Actually, with the MAPs off the wheel turning shouldn't effect the diff so the problems got to be in the hub, right?
                    Bryan Deel

                    1967 109 3 Door, 2.6l, RHD
                    1972 88 2.25, LHD

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