2 1/4 liter engine paint ?

[1961 109 WAGON]

what is the closest color in a spray can that looks like the oem green paint ? maybe some paint from autozone??

[daveb]

krylon jade green is not a perfect match but works well. use a high heat primer and several coats for a better result than i had with mine. i think i recall somewhere seeing detroit diesel alpine green being used as well.


what is the closest color in a spray can that looks like the oem green paint ? maybe some paint from autozone??

[1961 109 WAGON]

thanks, thats what i needed to know!:thumb-up:

[1961 109 WAGON]

well ive been EVERYWHERE and no one has either paint :mad:

[sven]

My local napa can order the detroit diesel paint. Try your local Napa. Ive seen them on ebay too.

[thixon]

You can usually find the detroit desiel alpine green at an auto parts store. I'm surprised NAPA did'nt carry it. Autozone, or some place like that should have it. Keep trying locally before you resort to ordering.

[Momo]

Walmart has both...the krylon is a closer match

[1961 109 WAGON]

ill try "yall" mart today:D , nope, napa did not have it

[Sandglow]

Plastikote "Alpine Green" engine enamel is near perfect. I was very pleased with the results. You can get this paint at Carquest.

[TJR]

What years did they use that pale green color? My '73 ser III as far as I can tell, was not painted that way, nor was a '72 ser III I stripped down,

When I see pics of a restored series rovers w/a nicely painted pale-green block and no oil leaks, w/o the accessories also painted over.. ,, I guess they kindda look ok, But a Bright green motor covered in oil ,mud or dirt just doesn't seem appealing to me? Did they ever just paint the block black? TJR

[greenmeanie]

What years did they use that pale green color? My '73 ser III as far as I can tell, was not painted that way, nor was a '72 ser III I stripped down,
TJR

Eau de nil or whatever the fancy name for hospital green is usually a sign of a military overhauled engine. THe military engines would have vome from the factory in standard colours.

IIRC original civvy engines came in black and red with a natural metal rocker cover.

Someone will no doubt be along in a minute to correct me on that.

Cheers
Gregor

[PH4]

I had a military engine and it was red for what it is worth.

[thixon]

Eau de nil or whatever the fancy name for hospital green is usually a sign of a military overhauled engine. THe military engines would have vome from the factory in standard colours.

IIRC original civvy engines came in black and red with a natural metal rocker cover.

Someone will no doubt be along in a minute to correct me on that.

Cheers
Gregor

Gregor,

I've been curious about this for a while. My old trucks motor was black before I overhauled it. There was no other color under the black paint, and I'm pretty sure that motor had never been overhauled before.

Was there a year range for the black or the red, or was it just hit or miss?

[Eric W S]

It's not green. The official paint is BS Sky Blue. You can get it shipped in engine paint form from ebay. Google BS Sky blue color codes. Get the formula and have someone mix it for you.

Unless your doing a concours restoration, paint it whatever color you like. Hell Ike had a sweet dark green POR-15 enamel on a recent project.

[yorker]

Military rebuilds were painted all over(valve covers etc) with the green, not just the head and block. I'm pretty sure the head and block on 1960's and 1970's LRs was that green as well. Later Engines were a red color IIRC.

[1961 109 WAGON]

thanks for all the help, now i got to hunt some paint down:sly:

[thixon]

Are we talking the dark red like what was used on MG's?

[Alacrity]

My understanding - there were various colors used over time. IIRC Grey early (II, early IIa), Sky Blue IIA and III, and the late 5 Brg were Red. Authoritative - nope - anyone heard anything similar?

[Alacrity]

Hell Ike had a sweet dark green POR-15 enamel on a recent project.

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/PBREngine3.JPG

This one Eric? Its BMC Green. I didnt realize it was POR-15 - not original, but my preferred color for future engines.

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/2.25_Bulkhead_Paint.JPG

For the OP:

Dupli-Color Ceramic Engine Enamel: Detriot Diesel Alpine Green -DE1618

[Eric W S]

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/PBREngine3.JPG

This one Eric? Its BMC Green. I didnt realize it was POR-15 - not original, but my preferred color for future engines.

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/2.25_Bulkhead_Paint.JPG

For the OP:

Dupli-Color Ceramic Engine Enamel: Detriot Diesel Alpine Green -DE1618

Yup. I thought BMC was a POR product? Either way, it's very nicely done.

I'd like to see a block painted to match the body personally. Be kinda nice, IMO.

[Momo]

The MBC green looks great, I remember seeing that on Ikes page.

One big advantage of the Sky Blue/DD Alpine Green what have you is that it shows oil leaks well so you can rectify them.

[Jazzop]

If you are interested in the Detroit Diesel green, you will probably have better luck at a marine engine rebuilder (unless you live in a landlocked area). Anyone who repairs large inboards will know where to get Detroit Diesel stuff. When I tried a couple of years ago to source the paint, NAPA did not have it.

[Donnie]

If you are interested in the Detroit Diesel green, you will probably have better luck at a marine engine rebuilder (unless you live in a landlocked area). Anyone who repairs large inboards will know where to get Detroit Diesel stuff. When I tried a couple of years ago to source the paint, NAPA did not have it.
Google Armour paint, find a supplier, I think they are still around.. I bought 4 cases of it about 6 years ago when I repainted the machines in my shop. It was called Detroit Diesel Green,,,,,,,,,close to what you are looking for

[sailtech]

I went with the Ford blue from this site:

http://www.autobarn.net/dupenpainglo.html

[crankin]

To rehash an old post...

I am starting to paint things now...and looking at my Cylinder Head...its orange red. The engine block is not really revealing that much.

Is it possible that there are other engine colors out there?

[Bertha]

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:xekDNYxkiZjCIM:http://www.landroverparts.us/seriesLandRover/s-pictures/225engine.JPG (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.landroverparts.us/seriesLandRover/s-pictures/225engine.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.landroverparts.us/LandRoverWholesale.html&usg=__Udo7BWvU-oDuxYsQIaTev9y5_bI=&h=240&w=289&sz=21&hl=en&start=64&um=1&tbnid=xekDNYxkiZjCIM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dland%2Brover%2Bengine%26start%3D60%26 ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)

Alpine green is the closest match to the original series color-I am not sure where blue comes into play, I have never seen a rover engine originally painted blue-only green(2a and 3)and grey(s2)

[Bertha]

http://www.duplicolor.com/gallery/gallery_images/can_engine.jpg

Duplicolor is the company that makes it
part # DE1618 (they also refer to it as detroit diesel green)

[crankin]

Yep. Got all that. But mine is a reddish orange

[Bertha]

Yep. Got all that. But mine is a reddish orange

Then it is not the correct color

[Dav1550]

Yep. Got all that. But mine is a reddish orange

Might want to check on the Series II club board on engine color. I’m wanting to recall a red brick color was used on some lumps / blocks.

Dave

[ML-ENGR]

I went with old Ford blue...heres the p0rn

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/iconclast_photos/Rover/DSC05912.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/iconclast_photos/Rover/DSC05910.jpg

[greenmeanie]

I went with old Ford blue...heres the p0rn


It's a very modern Tata blue now.

[I Leak Oil]

That's pretty! It will soon have that unique mixture of oil, mud and more oil covering it.:D
Jason T.

[scott]

i got my paint from bp, plastickote alpine green 225

[gudjeon]

I went for industrial plasticote in Machine Grey

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/gudjeon/RoverPics05002.jpg:thumb-up:

[TJR]

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/PBREngine3.JPG

This one Eric? Its BMC Green. I didnt realize it was POR-15 - not original, but my preferred color for future engines.

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/2.25_Bulkhead_Paint.JPG

For the OP:

Dupli-Color Ceramic Engine Enamel: Detriot Diesel Alpine Green -DE1618


I just ordered a pint of that Austin Healey Green for my rebuild Great Color.. .. I can only hope it will look that good... Does anyone know if that block paint brushed or sprayed on?

[martindktm]

I don't know...Ill I know is that the 3 main bearings 2.25 are green and the 5 main bearings engine are paint red.

[bmohan55]

Dumb question here...I see on the blue moter that the dizzy & firing order are opposite of my '72...is mine incorrect and two mistakes cancled themselves out?

[kevkon]

For those who need or want to brush apply,try POR-15 Buick Green engine enamel. It's not a perfect alpine green match, but pretty close. Also it goes over POR-15 rust paint.

[Eric W S]

I don't know...Ill I know is that the 3 main bearings 2.25 are green and the 5 main bearings engine are paint red.

2.25 3 main bearings are BLUE as in BSC Sky Blue commonly often referred to as Duck Egg Blue. There is no green tint in that British Standard Color.

[scott]

Dumb question here...I see on the blue moter that the dizzy & firing order are opposite of my '72...is mine incorrect and two mistakes cancled themselves out?

the blue one looks like a 1342 to me

[bmohan55]

yes, same as mine BUT I have my #1 at the front of the motor, and the vacuum advance is at the front of the dizzy...so either the older motors were different or I screwed something up again.

[scott]

i dropped my dizzy drive gear in a bit off. about 1 spline counter clockwise from what the shop manual says so my dizzy sits a bit different than before my rebuild. maybe you did the same.

[thixon]

yes, same as mine BUT I have my #1 at the front of the motor, and the vacuum advance is at the front of the dizzy...so either the older motors were different or I screwed something up again.

Bmohan,

Don't sweat it. As long as the firing order is right, and you can still rotate the dist to the correct position for the truck to run properly (ie correct timing) you're fine.

[South Larry]

Go to a marine supplies place...they have the Detroit Diesel spray paint and it is the correct color for the engine. They should carry it by the truck-load!!

[kevkon]

I think the confusion is in the name. British Sky Blue is in the green tint range as can be seen here;
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/bs381c.html
Alpine Green is close, but not exact.

[scott]

I think the confusion is in the name. British Sky Blue is in the green tint range as can be seen here;
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/bs381c.html
Alpine Green is close, but not exact.

given the weather there i can see why brits would call a greenish greyish color "sky blue"

[Eric W S]

I think the confusion is in the name. British Sky Blue is in the green tint range as can be seen here;
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/bs381c.html
Alpine Green is close, but not exact.

Hull's chart is off. He even states as much in the disclaimer. Colors will be dependent on your monitor, etc.. The actual Bronze Green in his pics doesn't even come close to the color in that chart. Search the Series Two Club forum and Dunsfold. Correctly mixed BSC 101 is blue. It's called sky blue for a reason. It's supposed to be representational of its namesake.

Search the Series Military Forum. They have a great story posted on it. It correctly deals with aircraft

Detroit green isn't even close...

[TJR]

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/PBREngine3.JPG

This one Eric? Its BMC Green. I didnt realize it was POR-15 - not original, but my preferred color for future engines.

http://home.att.net/%7Ealacritylost/2.25_Bulkhead_Paint.JPG

For the OP:

Dupli-Color Ceramic Engine Enamel: Detriot Diesel Alpine Green -DE1618

Ok.. Just need to verify...what does BMC stand for? British Motor Corporation or Buick Motor Corp?
If it's Buick... then that is not the green ordered.
I ordered the Austin Healey Green (not BMC green) as seen here
http://www.por15.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EEPA/
as it seemed to match the above photo and several pics of Ike's project here..
http://www.pangolin4x4.com/pangolin4x4/projects/pbr/pbr.html

[kevkon]

It should be BSC or British Standard Colors.

Eric, your points are well taken. Detroit Green is not Sky Blue 101. But I don't think you can mix that color without yellow.

[thixon]

Ok.. Just need to verify...what does BMC stand for? British Motor Corporation or Buick Motor Corp?
If it's Buick... then that is not the green ordered.
I ordered the Austin Healey Green (not BMC green) as seen here
http://www.por15.com/ENGINE-ENAMEL/productinfo/EEPA/
as it seemed to match the above photo and several pics of Ike's project here..
http://www.pangolin4x4.com/pangolin4x4/projects/pbr/pbr.html


I checked out the color on the block of the 100-4 last night. Healey green is close, but not quite. It seems to be a little darker than the detroit des. alpine green. Side by side, its pretty noticeable. Looking at each one at a time, not so much.

Bear in mind I'm comparing 55 year old paint on an engine that has sat my whole life, to new paint I sprayed out of a can onto a peice of wood. So, take it for what its worth.

[TJR]

I should mention I'm not trying to replicate any OEM color since mr Ser III 2.25l block was just black i guess.

I just really liked the deep olive green color on IKE's project and was trying to verify that I had ordered the correct one. i.e. that POR 15 Austin Healy Green is the same as what another poster called it as "BMC green."
I suppose it really doesnt matter since a pint is due to arrive any day now.. TJR

[Bertha]

Detroit green isn't even close...

Detroit diesel green and alpine green are nearly the same color. With over 25 old Land Rover motors sitting in my garage to compare it to, I can safely say both of those colors are a close enough match for even the pickiest purist.

[scott]

i once heard that the earliest series were put together using a lot of wwII suplus. could the british sky blue have been the color of paint used to on the underside of the RAF's fighters?

[Bertha]

i once heard that the earliest series were put together using a lot of wwII suplus. could the british sky blue have been the color of paint used to on the underside of the RAF's fighters?

Possibly, but as far as a Rover engines painted blue from 1960-1974, I can honestly say I have never seen one. I have only seen dark green on
series 1's, grey on series 2's and the alpine/detroit diesel/pastel/or whatever you want to call it green on 2a's through s3's. I use 74 as a cut off because I have never owned a Rover made after 74 and dont want to make a statement unless I have actually seen one. Evidently I am not alone, as any show truck I have ever seen, as well as most of the accurate resto's that other folks have done, have all used the alpine green color.

[TJR]

I should mention I'm not trying to replicate any OEM color since mr Ser III 2.25l block was just black i guess.

I just really liked the deep olive green color on IKE's project and was trying to verify that I had ordered the correct one. i.e. that POR 15 Austin Healy Green is the same as what another poster called it as "BMC green."
I suppose it really doesnt matter since a pint is due to arrive any day now.. TJR

FYI... My POR-15 brand "Austin Healey Green" engine paint arived today. The can top is stickerd BMC Green .

[brucejohn]

My understanding - there were various colors used over time. IIRC Grey early (II, early IIa), Sky Blue IIA and III, and the late 5 Brg were Red. Authoritative - nope - anyone heard anything similar?


Possibly, but as far as a Rover engines painted blue from 1960-1974, I can honestly say I have never seen one. I have only seen dark green on series 1's, grey on series 2's and the alpine/detroit diesel/pastel/or whatever you want to call it green on 2a's through s3's. I use 74 as a cut off because I have never owned a Rover made after 74 and dont want to make a statement unless I have actually seen one. Evidently I am not alone, as any show truck I have ever seen, as well as most of the accurate resto's that other folks have done, have all used the alpine green color.

Fearing I may be dragging up an old debate, is there any consensus upon engine color?

It seems the most popular restoration color is the light blue/green color I know as Detroit diesel.

The engine block out of my early 60's IIa is red, knowing absolutely no history of this parts vehicle other than it sat next to a barn for 10+ years I would love to hear it is a five bearing engine of course.

The engine block in the 82 SIII I am refurbishing shows no apparent color or maybe black, though after reading this entire thread I will look with more diligence. The block is quite rusty and I am pretty sure the sump pan is black.

Mostly, I am asking because if there is a chance my parts engine is a five bearing I will rebuild it sooner rather than if ever.

[Eric W S]

Detroit diesel green and alpine green are nearly the same color. With over 25 old Land Rover motors sitting in my garage to compare it to, I can safely say both of those colors are a close enough match for even the pickiest purist.

You need to find better "purists". :rolleyes:

[Eric W S]

i once heard that the earliest series were put together using a lot of wwII suplus. could the british sky blue have been the color of paint used to on the underside of the RAF's fighters?

Bingo! Hence the name Sky Blue! And the reason the paint was used. Bronze green was a cockpit color.

EwS

[LaneRover]

Bronze green was a cockpit color.

EwS

I believe that the light green was the cockpit color. Land Rover didn't go with Bronze Green until they started getting Military orders.

[Eric W S]

Possibly, but as far as a Rover engines painted blue from 1960-1974, I can honestly say I have never seen one. I have only seen dark green on
series 1's, grey on series 2's and the alpine/detroit diesel/pastel/or whatever you want to call it green on 2a's through s3's. I use 74 as a cut off because I have never owned a Rover made after 74 and dont want to make a statement unless I have actually seen one. Evidently I am not alone, as any show truck I have ever seen, as well as most of the accurate resto's that other folks have done, have all used the alpine green color.

Dunsfold paints the blocks in the correct shade. You can see the pics on their sight under restorations. Many of the Series 2 Club resto's have the correct shade. Take your pick of the series 2 restos.

I'd argue that the restorations probably weren't that accurate with a green engine. I've several trucks from professionals in the correct shade. Lanny Clark, Many from David Cooper.

The Military Land Rover Club even has a nice article on Sky Blue on their site. Goes through the history and the confusion with the Duck Egg Blue misnomer. Over here most people confuse it for a sea foam green instead Duck Egg Blue. They even have the aviation back story behind the Sky name...

Go to Rovers Down South. George has a new old stock block painted in the correct shade of blue. It's faded, but it's still blue... It's on the engine page... That's the correct color for the block, not green. Lower right pic and you can clearly see why it's called sky...

There's three highly accurate sources to support Sky Blue. Dunsfold. Series 2 A Club, the Military Rovers Club, and a NOS Block from George at RDS.

EwS

[greenmeanie]

Bingo! Hence the name Sky Blue! And the reason the paint was used. Bronze green was a cockpit color.

EwS
And what colour was used on the underside of RAF fighters? Now you open a real can of worms for the rivet counters.......
Link (http://ratomodeling.com/articles/RAF_skies/)

The word SKY has nothing to do with RAF usage.

[Bertha]

You need to find better "purists". :rolleyes:

You need to find better facts.

[Bertha]

Bingo! Hence the name Sky Blue! And the reason the paint was used. Bronze green was a cockpit color.

EwS


Wrong!

[Bertha]

Dunsfold paints the blocks in the correct shade. You can see the pics on their sight under restorations. Many of the Series 2 Club resto's have the correct shade. Take your pick of the series 2 restos.

I'd argue that the restorations probably weren't that accurate with a green engine. I've several trucks from professionals in the correct shade. Lanny Clark, Many from David Cooper.

The Military Land Rover Club even has a nice article on Sky Blue on their site. Goes through the history and the confusion with the Duck Egg Blue misnomer. Over here most people confuse it for a sea foam green instead Duck Egg Blue. They even have the aviation back story behind the Sky name...

Go to Rovers Down South. George has a new old stock block painted in the correct shade of blue. It's faded, but it's still blue... It's on the engine page... That's the correct color for the block, not green. Lower right pic and you can clearly see why it's called sky...

There's three highly accurate sources to support Sky Blue. Dunsfold. Series 2 A Club, the Military Rovers Club, and a NOS Block from George at RDS.

EwS

Call it what you want, it is still green in color-25 engines in my garage dont lie, neither do the many Rovers that I have owned over the last 20 years. Funny thing, Lanny Clark actually had a shot on his website of a Rover motor he did a while back and what do you know, it was GREEN. Looking at the Dunsfold site as you suggested also shows the motors painted a light green.

[thixon]

Eric,

Does it really matter? Where talking about rovers right? I love'em. but its not exactly a deal breaker for the block to be painted the "almost right color, but not quite."

Also, I have to ask, what's your explanation for the 25 blocks in Berthas garage, all painted green? DId the southpark underpants knomes sneek in his garage and paint them all the same color in a fiendish plot to convince the entire world that all 2.25's were painted green? "Phase one, steal underpants. Phase two, paint all of Berthas rover engines green."

Assuming he's not lying about all 25 motors being green (why would he), how is it possible that they all could end up the same color. Don't try to tell me they came from the same source. Or maybe you beleive the underants knome theory?

Lastly, you might want to take some stock in what greenmeanie has to say. He's actually from the UK.

[kevkon]

I'd also have to ask why every original part I have worked on had that green as a first coat.

[JayGoss]

Here's a blast from the past thread resurrection. I'm trying to help a friend restore his Series II 109 and he's asked me if the cylinder head is to be painted the same color as the block. I restored a late IIa and painted both the block and head detroit diesel green as it was a close match to the original shade that was on the block/head. I had Lanny Clark restore an early Series II for me and he painted the block light blue and the head black. When I asked him if that was the correct color scheme he said, "I don't know". I asked when they switched from light blue to green he was unsure. My friend has been using my Rover as a guide for his restoration as he's planning on showing it, so it would be nice to have the correct parts painted (all blue green vs green block, black head, etc). I searched Dunsfold's site and they don't have a 2.25l engine pic of the correct vintage to view. Any ideas? For reference we're talking about a '60 Series II 2.25l petrol built for the US market. Thanks in advance- and feel free to attach links to threads that may answer my question; this is the closest I've found.

[cedryck]

Wow,
I bought rustolium blue paint from true value that said royal blue, now I know these engines were not blue but thinking royal blue, nice, ended up drying Ford blue, my rover engine is Ford blue.

[Revtor]

it's a really light green/grey. I just had my engine out and cleaned the hell out of it and found this paint on it. ALthough 44 years ago as it left the factory, before thousands of heat cycles, who know what it really looked like. I have read all over "This guy has a NOS block and its this color blah blah." but no one can bother to take a decent pic, correct the color and post it for the rover world to see. . . .

I wouldn't stress it, even on the S2 UK forum there are pages upon pages of debate and no clear cut answer. So ya know, if those guys cant decide, then no car show judge will know.

Krylon has one called "Celery" that looks like what I was seeing on my block. (But its not high heat)

I fussed over it for 2 minutes then sprayed it bright silver! (My place didn't have the Det. diesel alpine green)


~Steve

[ArlowCT]

Painted my engine bright yellow with the POR engine kit. The paint has held up great, was easy to apply, and you can spot leaks a mile away with the light color! POR makes a bunch of different engine colors, I highly recommend them.

[yorker]

it's a really light green/grey. I just had my engine out and cleaned the hell out of it and found this paint on it. ALthough 44 years ago as it left the factory, before thousands of heat cycles, who know what it really looked like. I have read all over "This guy has a NOS block and its this color blah blah." but no one can bother to take a decent pic, correct the color and post it for the rover world to see. . . .


There are no shortage of NOS parts out there, the problem is that with online pictures there is no real color calibration. Add in variations in monitors and its a fools errand trying to match colors via the net..

http://www.darebritannia.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/13643055/8315526_orig.jpg
8131
8132
then there are the MOD rebuilds too

8130

Add to it variations in paint between batches, aging etc and there comes a point where you just have to just pick something and go with it.

[JayGoss]

Well I told my friend to go with Detroit Diesel green and I think the motor paint fashion police would be pleased!

8138

[ArlowCT]

Almost looks too good! Nice work.

[jac04]

Yes, very nice looking!

[stomper]

Not to hijack the thread, but what are the 2 copper lines for on that freshly built engine over the intake manifold? Looksike one goes to the intake port for the brake booster?