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  • Bostonian1976
    5th Gear
    • Nov 2006
    • 750

    Yep - It's Stuck

    Well after pulling the blue station wagon around with a tractor yesterday in gear (couldn't engage 4wd though), that engine just won't turn over. Rear wheels spun, but one spun one way and one the other. Engine had plenty of Marvel in it (6 months of pumping it in there). What next?
    '67 sort of station wagon (limestone), '65 gray hardtop, '63 blue Station Wagon, '64 limestone station wagon in pieces
  • dunerunner
    1st Gear
    • May 2008
    • 110

    #2
    Not knowing what you have done to free-up the enigne before this event, I will offer this advice:

    Pull the plugs and fill the upper cylinder with Marvel or PB Blaster. Replace the plugs and allow it to sit at least a week. Try the ''tow trick again. If that doesn't work with the crankcase still filled with the Mystery stuff, decide whether you want to (1) rebuild or (2) purchase a new engine.

    You could also try this: Get a 6 pack of PBR, drop the pan and disconnect the connecting rods, pull the head and see if you can get crank and piston movement. Try driving the pistons using a piece of fence post that fits the cylinder and a 20# sledge. Be gentle yet firm as further damage is to be avoided. If something moves, you have more decisions to make, if you drive the post thru a piston seclect option 1 or 2 and consume the PBR. Good Luck!
    '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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    • 4flattires
      4th Gear
      • Aug 2007
      • 424

      #3
      While you owned it...

      ...has it ever run? What are the circumstances of it being stuck and for how long?

      Jeff
      64 SIIa 109 all stock
      69 SIIa 88 all stock
      Old tractors
      New Harleys
      Old trucks

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      • JimCT
        5th Gear
        • Nov 2006
        • 518

        #4
        brake fluid

        istead of mystery oil, use cheap brake fluid and it willfree the engine right up in a few days
        1968 battlefield ambulance/camper
        1963 Unimog Radio box
        1995 LWB RR

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        • Tim Smith
          Overdrive
          • Nov 2006
          • 1504

          #5
          Originally posted by JimCT
          istead of mystery oil, use cheap brake fluid and it willfree the engine right up in a few days
          That is news to me Jim. Is there something about brake fluid that is better than the standard snake oils?

          Learning something new everyday.

          As for the stuck motor. Did you have the plugs off while you were pulling the truck around the yard? I'd wonder if the motor could have been hydraulicking with the oil in the cylinders (that may not have leaked through). Also, the back of the truck isn't very heavy and it wouldn't take much to stop the rear wheels from turning in a pulling situation. You *might* want to try putting some weight in there or finding four wheel and then trying again.

          Just some thoughts.

          Cheers!

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          • Bostonian1976
            5th Gear
            • Nov 2006
            • 750

            #6
            Originally posted by Tim Smith
            That is news to me Jim. Is there something about brake fluid that is better than the standard snake oils?

            Learning something new everyday.

            As for the stuck motor. Did you have the plugs off while you were pulling the truck around the yard? I'd wonder if the motor could have been hydraulicking with the oil in the cylinders (that may not have leaked through). Also, the back of the truck isn't very heavy and it wouldn't take much to stop the rear wheels from turning in a pulling situation. You *might* want to try putting some weight in there or finding four wheel and then trying again.

            Just some thoughts.

            Cheers!
            thank you! Well the other problem was that the front left part of the frame was coming apart - the spring settled to the point that I couldn't turn the wheel left anymore without putting a wooden block in between the bump stop and the axle. so I'm a little leery of dragging it around a lot more (but it would probably be fine).

            brake fluid eh? I will try that.

            The plugs were off while I was doing this (in fact now I'm worried that I didn't put them back in - doh)
            '67 sort of station wagon (limestone), '65 gray hardtop, '63 blue Station Wagon, '64 limestone station wagon in pieces

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            • Bostonian1976
              5th Gear
              • Nov 2006
              • 750

              #7
              Originally posted by 4flattires
              ...has it ever run? What are the circumstances of it being stuck and for how long?

              Jeff
              I believe it last ran in 1981 (inspection sticker)
              '67 sort of station wagon (limestone), '65 gray hardtop, '63 blue Station Wagon, '64 limestone station wagon in pieces

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              • jp-
                5th Gear
                • Oct 2006
                • 981

                #8
                Don't put the plugs back in, until the engine is free. There is no need, you'll only add to the resistance of getting it to turn.
                61 II 109" Pickup (Restomod, 350 small block, TR4050)
                66 IIA 88" Station Wagon (sold)
                66 IIA 109" Pickup (Restomod, 5MGE, R380)
                67 IIA 109" NADA Wagon (sold)
                88, 2.5TD 110 RHD non-hicap pickup

                -I used to know everything there was to know about Land Rovers; then I joined the RN Bulletin Board.

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                • leafsprung
                  Overdrive
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1008

                  #9
                  sometimes they are just stuck. Even if you do happen to get it free, if there is that much rust in the bores, it probably needs to come apart anyway so its time wasted jerking it around.

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                  • jp-
                    5th Gear
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 981

                    #10
                    Originally posted by leafsprung
                    sometimes they are just stuck. Even if you do happen to get it free, if there is that much rust in the bores, it probably needs to come apart anyway so its time wasted jerking it around.
                    Yeah, but it's so much fun!
                    61 II 109" Pickup (Restomod, 350 small block, TR4050)
                    66 IIA 88" Station Wagon (sold)
                    66 IIA 109" Pickup (Restomod, 5MGE, R380)
                    67 IIA 109" NADA Wagon (sold)
                    88, 2.5TD 110 RHD non-hicap pickup

                    -I used to know everything there was to know about Land Rovers; then I joined the RN Bulletin Board.

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                    • dunerunner
                      1st Gear
                      • May 2008
                      • 110

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jp-
                      Yeah, but it's so much fun!
                      And it's a good way to shake loose all the questionable frame parts! In this case, it sounds like most of the left front end.

                      I didn't notice, did you post any pics of you draging the Landy about with the tractor?
                      '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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                      • BirdNerd
                        Low Range
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 28

                        #12
                        Non running truck

                        Jason,

                        You should take it back to the guy you bought it from and demand 1/2 of your money back!!!!

                        If he's a stand up guy, he'll give it to you!!



                        BN

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                        • Bostonian1976
                          5th Gear
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 750

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dunerunner

                          I didn't notice, did you post any pics of you draging the Landy about with the tractor?
                          ha no I was too busy chasing it trying to see if the fan was turning!!
                          '67 sort of station wagon (limestone), '65 gray hardtop, '63 blue Station Wagon, '64 limestone station wagon in pieces

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                          • Bostonian1976
                            5th Gear
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 750

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BirdNerd
                            Jason,

                            You should take it back to the guy you bought it from and demand 1/2 of your money back!!!!

                            If he's a stand up guy, he'll give it to you!!



                            BN
                            maybe I'll just leave the engine on his lawn! He rebuilt a lightweight, so I'm sure he could put it back together and make it run!
                            '67 sort of station wagon (limestone), '65 gray hardtop, '63 blue Station Wagon, '64 limestone station wagon in pieces

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