Warn free wheeling hubs

[alligatorfoot]

I am totally ignorant when it comes to installing free wheeling hubs. My truck does not have them and I am wondering if it is worthwhile to have them installed since I usually use the truck in two wheel drive. I do understand the primary benefits are that the hubs allow the front wheels to be selectively disconnected from the drive shafts and therefore saves a little gas and provides +5mph for top speed, but to what extent is this true?

My second question is what it entails to install them? It seems like they are a plug and play type of install being a gasket and actual hub being bolted on to the end of the hub? Also is it pretty standard with the number of splines (i.e., 10)? Lastly, can a Lock-o-matic version work on a series IIa?

Thanks in advance for your guidance and advice.

Mark

[Leslie]

A) FWIW, you realize these aren't available anymore, unless you come across a used pair, right?

B) I doubt that they'd net you that much more for top speed, but maybe. Fuel mileage, maybe a little. The 'savings' is supposed to be in wear. However, the possibility is also, that you won't see adequate lubrication w/ them unlocked. (ongoing argument in the Rover community).

C) A lot of people remove them and put regular hubs back on, for simplicity and reliability.


I have them on mine, and leave them locked around town even, would only unlock them if planning a highway trip.

FWIW....

[rovertek]

i have a pair for sale <gauto@localnet.com>

[s3landy]

When it is -35 or 40 below you can feel the difference of less drag(ep90 in the front diff). They also save a little wear and tear on the front components.

Mike

[Eric W S]

You won't see any fuel savings and you definetly won't see your top end increase by 5mph.

[alligatorfoot]

Short of getting a pair for close to nothing, I think you guys sold me on the idea to put the money elsewhere on the truck at this point in time.

Just for my own curiousity are the installations of the hubs pretty much a plug and play set up where they essentially bolt on to the end of the hub and line up with the exposed splines? Thanks

[yorker]

I don't know about that- I saw ~ a 2 MPG difference on my '65 back when I had my Fairey hubs and I tested them pretty thoroughly to prove or disprove the MPG claims. I got rid of them though when the rebuild kits for them ceased to be obtainable. They made the biggest difference in the winter. I wouldn't go out of my way to fit them again but they can have their uses.

Ike Goss should have a bunch of them of different types. Email him. They are all pretty simple to install.

[Jeff Aronson]

I had them on my '66 II-A when I bought the car. As others have noted, I saw the greatest difference in winter driving. When the car was cold, you could sense the added resistance until the hypoid oil warmed up.

When mine became really worn out and I could not find replacements. I went back the original hub setup. I never noticed any difference in highway speed, and only 1-2 mpg difference. I had always thought that was more a function of thick hypoid and cold temperatures, anyway.

Jeff

[bullstanky]

A) FWIW, you realize these aren't available anymore, unless you come across a used pair, right?


Everything is available on ebay

Series Land Rover Warn M11 free wheeling hubs 10 spline
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___Series-Land-Rover-Warn-M11-free-wheeling-hubs-10-spline_W0QQitemZ120317345865QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Ac cessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1203173 45865&_trkparms=72%3A543|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245>

[Jim-ME]

I wouldn't give up my Warn's for love nor money. Check out Ebay-UK for other options.
Jim

[yorker]

Everything is available on ebay

Series Land Rover Warn M11 free wheeling hubs 10 spline
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___Series-Land-Rover-Warn-M11-free-wheeling-hubs-10-spline_W0QQitemZ120317345865QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Ac cessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1203173 45865&_trkparms=72%3A543|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245>

Those are Jim Young's I think they came off his 109 that he just rebuilt. I think he only replaced them because he went with his 24 spline axles.

[Leslie]

Everything is available on ebay


If only that were true......


I've got a list of things on a watch, just hoping they ever turn up..... have yet to find 'em...... just bein' patient.....

[alligatorfoot]

Everything is available on ebay

Series Land Rover Warn M11 free wheeling hubs 10 spline
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___Series-Land-Rover-Warn-M11-free-wheeling-hubs-10-spline_W0QQitemZ120317345865QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Ac cessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1203173 45865&_trkparms=72%3A543|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245>

The ones on ebay ended up going for $108 (incl shipping). Not sure if that is considered high or low but seems like at that price you should be able to buy a pair that you can be judged on more than a single picture and a faith that there is still enough life left in them. Ebay stuff usually get bid up higher than the stuff is actual worth and I have found that you do not really save very much money. Thanks for all of the advice.

[Mercedesrover]

Those were my hubs.
Last line in Woody Allen's Manhattan:
"You gotta have a little faith in people."

[Daurie]

Those were my hubs.
Last line in Woody Allen's Manhattan:
"You gotta have a little faith in people."

And now they are mine!! :thumb-up: The original warn hubs on my 88" still work great and turn like butter so 108 bucks is fine with me. If I was to take a wild guess I'd say Warn might even still have repair parts for these (should I ever need any) but I have never checked.

[Leslie]

I've asked Warn, they said no: no parts, no rebuild kits, etc. However, if you disassembled one, ID'd the individual bit you needed, they may very well have a lot of the bits still available.

[Daurie]

I've asked Warn, they said no: no parts, no rebuild kits, etc. However, if you disassembled one, ID'd the individual bit you needed, they may very well have a lot of the bits still available.

I knew they didn't have parts on the Warn site. I agree though they probably have lots of parts around there for them. They would have to dig maybe but a little sweet talk would most likely get you what you need. Works around my house anyway! :D

[yorker]

I think Superwinch Hubs are still available new- I'd rather have the Warns or Perfest Circle/ Selectros though. $108 probably wasn't too bad.

Try Pangolin 4X4 he must have some.
http://pangolin4x4.com/pangolin4x4/reference/lib/fwh/perfectcirclehubs.jpg

http://pangolin4x4.com/pangolin4x4/reference/lib/fwh/newwarnhubs.jpg



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[Mercedesrover]

I think Superwinch Hubs are still available new- I'd rather have the Warns or Perfest Circle/ Selectros though. $108 probably wasn't too bad.

Superwinch hubs are crappy. They leak from day one and won't stop no matter what tricks you try to do to them. I have them on my 88 and hate them. I put a set of Selectros (owned and sold by Mile Marker now) on the new 109 and they've been dry so far. I'll soon ditch the Superwinch hubs on the 88 for another set of Selectros.

And no, I won't sell the Superwinch ones on Ebay. I'll pitch them in the garbage.