Defender Central

[Daurie]

Count the Defenders.. Thought this might be fun to share.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sr5b47gvkw11&style=o&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7452765&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

[rwollschlager]

i just wish some more of them were over here...legally

[Momo]

Looks like a lot at Solihull...right?

[Carpe]

Oh my...that's just HOT!

[Carpe]

i just wish some more of them were over here...legally

True that. Never ceases to amaze me how many posters in this forum have some 110 with a year other than 1983 or 1993 that try and say 100% legal. Look, if you have to say it's 100% legal in your post, there's probably a very legitimate reason why I should be suspicious. 100% legal goes without saying. Most folks tend to round up, I think, from 42.7% legal to 100% legal.

I agree, though...more here would be a good thing. Canada's import laws are better than ours.

[Daurie]

Personally I think another batch of NADA Defenders is due. Now with the new LR owners who knows what will happen!

[rwollschlager]

an nada defender would be good. as long as its cheaper than the ones on ebay and comes with a nice big warranty

[Carpe]

Personally I think another batch of NADA Defenders is due. Now with the new LR owners who knows what will happen!

It sounds odd to say this, but I don't want another round of NADA Defenders near as bad as I want the existing crop of Defenders (worldwide) to be made more readily available to the American market. While I understand the spirit of the 25 year old import rule, I have to say that I disagree with it in principle.

I'll never buy a new car (for many reasons). I think it is daft and wasteful to produce as many cars as we do. It's not a sustainable practice, supply greatly outweighs demand, and new trucks quickly devalue and become castaway vehicles because the cost and expertise required to service, repair, and maintain them is disproportionately high in relation to the time and money that folks have as the economy contracts. Give me a truck that I can keep for 20 years...then give me another.

[Terrys]

It sounds odd to say this, but I don't want another round of NADA Defenders near as bad as I want the existing crop of Defenders (worldwide) to be made more readily available to the American market. While I understand the spirit of the 25 year old import rule, I have to say that I disagree with it in principle.

I'll never buy a new car (for many reasons). I think it is daft and wasteful to produce as many cars as we do. It's not a sustainable practice, supply greatly outweighs demand, and new trucks quickly devalue and become castaway vehicles because the cost and expertise required to service, repair, and maintain them is disproportionately high in relation to the time and money that folks have as the economy contracts. Give me a truck that I can keep for 20 years...then give me another.

I couldn't agree more. Detroit wants us to bail them out, so they can continue this trend? Not with my tax dollars, thank you.

[jp-]

I couldn't agree more. Detroit wants us to bail them out, so they can continue this trend? Not with my tax dollars, thank you.

Amen.

I know several people that are aware of the big three buying up patents for fuel efficient engines since the 1940's. We were getting 36mpg in 1930. That is a fact. And yet, they want us to believe that in 2008, 78 years later that 22mpg is good? ("Top of its class in mpg," as they like to say.)

I say let them go bankrupt and then let them reform (under chapter 11 guidelines) and start producing some of the fuel efficient designs they have been sitting on for 60+ years.

[JSBriggs]

.... and start producing some of the fuel efficient designs they have been sitting on for 60+ years.

I wish they would put quality and durability on the top of the list long before fuel efficiency.

-Jeff

[Momo]

How quickly the lessons of the '73 oil crisis have been forgotten.

Meanwhile Honda just opened a new plant in Indiana. I guess they must be doing something right.

I'm with you guys- no bailout. Free markets are cruel but decisive. The irony is that the current crisis may finally open the US market to all those great little turbo diesels that the ROW enjoys.

[Eric W S]

I had a Defender. Never again. I loved the truck, but they have nothing on a well restored series.

EwS

[sayers]

I can remember that in 1997 d90's were 34,500, right off the lot, not a bad price back then. Maybe ta-ta motors will think outside the box and send some defenders our way.

[Carpe]

I wish they would put quality and durability on the top of the list long before fuel efficiency.

-Jeff

Land Rover owners can't throw too many stones at US automakers for quality and durability. Take a quick survey of the forums we are in and you will quickly realize that it is 95% about repair, 3% about buying and selling, and 2% about driving. Our aftermarket for repair parts for Rovers is disproportionately high to that of accessories. Rovers break - that's what they do. We like them because they have character, history, and relatively sound off-road handling. However, we shouldn't kid ourselves into thinking that we are to be swayed by quality and durability. We like repairability.