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  • 94rangie
    Low Range
    • Nov 2006
    • 12

    Fuel Tank Vent

    I lost the fuel tank cap on my '72 IIa (OK, I left it on the top of the rear tire when I filled up and forgot to put it back on.) I got a new cap that fits very tightly and doesn't seem to allow the tank to vent, or more importantly causes the engine to create a vacuum. The vacuum gets so strong the engine dies or will not maintain "higher" rpm/loads and the cap is hard to get off. Once I get the cap off I can hear the tank "ka-****" as air is let in.

    How is the tank supposed to vent? This is the stock tank under the passenger seat.

    Regards,
    Larry M.
    '72 IIa LHD
    '94 RRC SWB
  • sayers
    1st Gear
    • Oct 2006
    • 126

    #2
    On my 74 there is a vent hose coming out of the tank going under the drivers seat to an overflow tank, then a hose up to the char. cansiter in the engine compartment. Not sure if your truck is set up the same way, just any idea. good luck

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    • Tim Smith
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1504

      #3
      Do you fill it under the seat or from the outside. Mine are military tanks, filled from under the seat, and there is no vent system outside of the cap. Could be you need a vented cap?

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      • LaneRover
        Overdrive
        • Oct 2006
        • 1743

        #4
        Originally posted by 94rangie
        I lost the fuel tank cap on my '72 IIa (OK, I left it on the top of the rear tire when I filled up and forgot to put it back on.)
        I've done that! Now I always leave the cap on the tire on the hood so I can't drive off without seeing it!
        1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
        1965 109 SW - nearly running well
        1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
        1969 109 P-UP

        http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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        • xsbowes
          2nd Gear
          • Dec 2006
          • 258

          #5
          On the 70 IIa I had the caps were chained to the filler extension. Same with the lightweight I have now.
          Stacy
          Motta S.A. Italy

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          • sven
            1st Gear
            • Dec 2006
            • 174

            #6
            Originally posted by sayers
            On my 74 there is a vent hose coming out of the tank going under the drivers seat to an overflow tank, then a hose up to the char. cansiter in the engine compartment. Not sure if your truck is set up the same way, just any idea. good luck
            Does anyone know if a 73 NADA is setup the same way? I have that vent hose going to the drivers side but it goes nowhere and just emptys gas on the ground when I overfill it.
            99 D1
            73 Series III 88"
            95 RRC LWB

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            • Leslie
              5th Gear
              • Oct 2006
              • 613

              #7
              My '72 (I call it a NADA since it was built as a US-spec, but it's not a 2.6 6-cyl, it's a regular 2.25)... it had that system... it wasn't so much of an overflow tank under the driver as it was a pressure tank for controlling vapor/fumes, but yes, it then headed for the charcoal canister.
              -L

              '72 SIII SW 88"
              '60 SII 88" RHD

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              • gudjeon
                5th Gear
                • Oct 2006
                • 613

                #8
                Well Larry, I may not be able to help with your venting problem. However, let me be the first to congratulate you on an air tight fuel system. Some have struggled many a moon to achieve such a feat.

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                • SafeAirOne
                  Overdrive
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3435

                  #9
                  There are many types of fuel caps. I BELIEVE that some are vented and some are not. Make sure you have the correct type. I'd be willing to bet that the charcoal canister-type are not vented (since the idea is to have all fumes pass through the canister and NOT vent unfiltered to the atmosphere, killing polar bears).

                  Our hosts will know which cap you need. See: http://www.roversnorth.com/store/c-3...ler-assem.aspx
                  --Mark

                  1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                  0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                  (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                  • sayers
                    1st Gear
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 126

                    #10
                    Originally posted by sven
                    Does anyone know if a 73 NADA is setup the same way? I have that vent hose going to the drivers side but it goes nowhere and just emptys gas on the ground when I overfill it.
                    I have the same problem when I try and top of the tank, I like how the overflow gas goes right down onto the exhaust pipe. I finally learned not to do this, I am not sure why land rover set this system up like this, any help out there ?

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                    • thixon
                      5th Gear
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 909

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sayers
                      I have the same problem when I try and top of the tank, I like how the overflow gas goes right down onto the exhaust pipe. I finally learned not to do this, I am not sure why land rover set this system up like this, any help out there ?
                      It sounds like your truck had a vapor recovery system (charcoal filter) at one time, and someone has removed it. Usually, these system operate using a non-vented gas cap. pressure is equalized via the system. Now, your truck is venting via the tube with nothing connected to it, and thats dangerous. You're about to start a big fire.

                      Two options:

                      1. Go to Napa/Auto Zone/Oriellys/allthesameanyway and buy a charcoal filter for a vapor recovery system, and some tubing and then rig the thing up. This won't be so easy, because they'll want to know what make and model so their super computer can id the part for them. I miss the days of the auto parts store employing people who actually knew how to work on a car.

                      2. Call our hosts and ask them for a vented gas cap for your truck, and cap off/get rid of that open line.

                      Hope this helps.
                      Travis
                      '66 IIa 88

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                      • sven
                        1st Gear
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 174

                        #12
                        I dont think the charcoal canister is gonna help. Mine is missing too. But the problem of fuel pouring out happens when you fill up...so the cap is off. Doesnt happen while driving.

                        Does anyone know if a fuel catch can of sorts is supposed to be at the end of that tube?
                        99 D1
                        73 Series III 88"
                        95 RRC LWB

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                        • greenmeanie
                          Overdrive
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 1358

                          #13
                          Have a look on the forward inside part of the driver's side (LHD) rear wing. There should be a small tank in there that acts as an expansion/catch system. The hose ios supposed to come off the main tank, run across the truck to the expansion tank and then on to the charcoal canister.

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                          • sven
                            1st Gear
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 174

                            #14
                            Yup Im missing all that stuff. There's a good diagram and description of the evaporative setup in teh Haynes manual. So it looks like thixon's #2 idea would be the best solution for me.

                            Anyone know how to tell if my gas cap is vented or non-vented? Im wondering if the PO ever switched it for a non-vented.
                            99 D1
                            73 Series III 88"
                            95 RRC LWB

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                            • TedW
                              5th Gear
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 887

                              #15
                              Drill a tiny hole...

                              ..in the center of the lug side of the cap. Only drill through one layer of metal. You now have a vented cap. I did this in '91 and it has worked great.

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