?Best shop manual for rebuilding/maintaining '67 IIA?

[Cosmic88]

I'm sure opinions will differ on this subject but I welcome the barrage of answers. I just aquired a '67 IIA (my first) and simply need "The Book" to loosely guide me through the restoration and refab. Any suggestions???

My grandfather always told me to read the instructions first... so here I am.

[LaneRover]

Many people here will point you in the direction of the 'Green Bible', Land Rover's own repair guide. If you are new to auto repair the book makes assumptions that you know what you are doing in some situations. So I would also get a Hayne's Manual (or something similar). Or start with a Haynes as they are cheaper and as you delve deeper into maintaining your Rover spring for the Land Rover book.

Either way everyone here is real helpful and can give you many suggestions.

Brent

[Cosmic88]

I have a decent amount of automotive repair... learned on a Gardner 6LXB Diesel at 16 yrs old and progressed on from there... and (yacht) restoration in my background so I feel confident. Are these the manuals you are refering to?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516Z72D2H4L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1859606229/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link)http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412XNGn6tGL._SL500_SS75_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Land-Rover-Repair-Operation-Manual/dp/1855205548/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b)

[SafeAirOne]

Oddly enough, If I were restoring a Series IIA Rover, I think I would find the "Haynes Land Rover Restoration Manual" of limited value, since the book deals mostly with Series I restoration. I know....many parts are similar and the techniques are gererally the same as on every other rover, but there are still differences significant enough to limit this books value to a SIIA restorer.

As for the Haynes model-specific Land Rover REPAIR manuals, I can't say one way or the other, since I don't have any or those, but they should be of more specific use to you, I suspect:

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-3913-haynes-manual-series-ii-iia-iii-225l-petrol.aspx

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/medium/HAYNP.JPG

[Cosmic88]

Good info... I'll pick up the Series specific book so thanks. What do you thnk about the Green LR II & IIA book?

[Jeff Aronson]

As mentioned above, the Land Rover II/II-A book is very complete but it was written for mechanics. The Haynes manual assumes that you're not a mechanic, so some terms and explanations are easier to understand. That said, the Land Rover manual has more detail and diagrams than the Haynes manual.

When I first started to work on my Series II-A, I bought the Haynes manual and wore it out so badly I had to buy another. The LR shop manual came later [again, some diagrams and procedures were more complete], and I'm delighted to have both books.

Jeff

[Cosmic88]

I'll purchase both the books and wear them out equally:)

I can already tell this site will be a great resource for info and sharing. Thanks again everyone!

[Eric W S]

I am by no means a mechanic. The green bible is written plainly enough that a novice can follow it. I can and this is my first restoration.

I would skip the haynes all together and invest in the Green Bible.

EwS

[SafeAirOne]

I don't know about the Series Rover Haynes manuals, but other Haynes Manuals I've had the displeasure to purchase essentially say "You've wasted $20 buying this book. Take it to a mechanic" on the more difficult repair tasks. It drives me completely insane when I see this.

Of course this relates to the more modern vehicles I've had to fix--I hope that there's nothing so complex on the Series Rover that Haynes just throws in the towel, but again, I don't own a Series Rover Haynes Repair Manual, so I don't know.

Of course you'll find none of that in the Land Rover Factory Workshop Manuals. Very detailed and if you don't understand something there's a picture there with number labels that correspond to the paragraph number in the instructions.

[CMorris]

Not sure if anyone else uses them, but on the advice from Lanny Clark when I was rebuilding my '60 SII I bought a Land Rover Parts manual (EBAY). I found it to be very helpful with page after page of of straight forward diagrams of all of the systems/components, no mechanical suggestions or help at all, but sounds as if you don't really need that. Good Luck.

[Leslie]

The 'green bible', the ROM, is a must-have. I would highly suggest the parts book to go with it.

The Haynes manuals are nice to have; much of it is simply copies of the green bible, but sometimes, it might have a slightly different perspective/description that helps clarify something. The Haynes manual for a Rover isn't as worthless as the other vehicles' manuals, as a Rover is so simple to work on...

Mark,
I've got a copy of that Haynes Restoration manual, and find it nice to have at times: it does have a section in there on SI, but the project vehicle for the book is a SIIa. It's no replacement for the ROM, but it's nice to have.

[TSR53]

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/medium/RNF256.JPG
LAND ROVER SERIES IIA - PARTS MANUAL (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-6093-parts-manual-series-iia.aspx)


http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/medium/RNC818.JPG
LAND ROVER SERIES IIA SINGLE VOLUME WORKSHOP MANUAL (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-2567-workshop-manual-ser-iia-single-volume.aspx)

or if you prefer CD-ROM digital version...


http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/medium/LHP21.JPG
CD-ROM 1961-71 LAND ROVER SERIES IIA MANUALS & HANDBOOKS (http://www.roversnorth.com/store/p-10937-cd-rom-1961-71-series-iia-manuals-handbooks.aspx)

[cachinfool]

i bought the bible on cd rom and it's great....except you can't install it on you're computer. you must run it from the cd while it's in the drive to view the pdf's.:(
maybe like so many other cd programs there's a registry hack to get around it :nono: but i haven't found it.

[SafeAirOne]

I've got a copy of that Haynes Restoration manual, and find it nice to have at times: it does have a section in there on SI, but the project vehicle for the book is a SIIa.

I stand corrected...Section 4 is the Series I part. Section 3 (the bodywork section) does use a IIA. Section 5 deals with the 2 1/4 petrol engine.

[I Leak Oil]

Series trucks are simple enough that you can get away with just the Haynes repair manual. I've used it for a long time now. I did pickup a factory manual, but really, have never needed it due to lack of info in the Haynes. The CD ROM is a good idea because you can print the specific pages you want, get oil and dirt all over the pages, then throw them out when you're done. The factory manual is a bit pricey to be doing that to.
Jason T.

[Leslie]

Good point: That's why, I keep the shop book in the shop, where I can use it as needed, then I also have a copy on my PC, and print off pages if I think I'll get 'em grubby when headin' to the garage.......

[Donnie]

I'm sure opinions will differ on this subject but I welcome the barrage of answers. I just aquired a '67 IIA (my first) and simply need "The Book" to loosely guide me through the restoration and refab. Any suggestions???

My grandfather always told me to read the instructions first... so here I am.
No one seemed to mention, but when I bought my first 2A, I got a set of 3 manuals with it, they are very detaied & have helped me a lot. They are about an inch thick & were white covered when new..I think these were the OEM books, I have others but none as informative.......Donnie

[jcasteel]

Way back before I bought my '62 88 I picked up a few books. While doing phase 1 of my restoration I mostly used the Green Bible, the "Haynes Guide to Purchase & DIY Restoration", and the Land Rover Restoration Tips and Techniques.

The Haynes Guide to P&DIYR turned out to be quite handy. The author, Lindsay Porter, "refurbishes" his 66 IIA. There are over 1000 pictures, according to the back cover, topics covered include rebuilding the 2-1/4 liter engine, body work, axles, brakes, replacing the dynamo with an alternator, steering, fitting an electric cooling fan, etc. etc.

The Land Rover Restoation Tips and Techniques is a reprint of 12 (?) articles from Land Rover Owner Magazine where the author, David Bowyer, locates, purchases and "refurbishes" a 76 Series III. Quite a few pictures and I used it for two purposes. First, it kept me sane as "toilet room" reading material while I tore my rover apart and put her back together. Second, there are good sections on maintenance of the rover and that was a major goal of mine. After fixing any major issues (bulkhead), I wanted to do as thorough a job as possible to get my rover back on the road. I plan on a major restoration after getting another degree and a better job, having a galvanized frame and parabolic springs drop out of the sky, and when my daughter is a little older so that she can enjoy the fun. I figure 6 years.

These three books let me do a frame off; replace the clutch while everything was out; some frame repair; bulkhead replacement (still waiting to fix the original bulkhead); a respray (I had never sprayed a car before); a complete rewire and alternator upgrade. And all the other "little" things that I'm forgetting.

The Green Bible, I think, is absolutely necessary. But the other books bring some of that work to life.

[superstator]

i bought the bible on cd rom and it's great....except you can't install it on you're computer. you must run it from the cd while it's in the drive to view the pdf's.:(
maybe like so many other cd programs there's a registry hack to get around it :nono: but i haven't found it.

Depending on your skill level with a pc, I'm sure something like Alcohol 120% or Daemon Tools would do the trick.

[Cosmic88]

I asked for a barrage and got it. :thumb-up: I decided to get both the "Green Bible" and the Haynes manual...figured they could compliment each other and fill in gaps each will surely have. I really appreciate all of the feedback and suggestions from each of you. Once I get her (the cosmic 88) restoration underway you will see the progress pics posted here.

Thanks again to everyone!

[Cosmic88]

These pics are a good indication of what I have ahead of me. Hey, it could be worse.... at least she runs well.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmic88/sets/72157614491199268/

[SafeAirOne]

could[/I] be worse.... at least she runs well.

WOW! You don't see too many of those turbocharged 2 1/4 petrol engines around! :D

EDIT: Interesting "Land Rover" nameplate/badge on the back...

[Cosmic88]

WOW! You don't see too many of those turbocharged 2 1/4 petrol engines around! :D

EDIT: Interesting "Land Rover" nameplate/badge on the back...

and the phillips screwdriver / rear door hinge was free! *

*-with purchase

[Eric W S]

WOW! You don't see too many of those turbocharged 2 1/4 petrol engines around! :D

EDIT: Interesting "Land Rover" nameplate/badge on the back...

I have heard rumours that the 2 1/4 was turbo'd by some folks. Not a factory option but it has been done.

[wooday]

I recently got my Land Rover Series II, IIA and III 1958-85 Owner's Workshop Manual for $6.10 US plus $8.73 US shipping from Abesbooks in the UK. Delivery takes 2 weeks, but for $14.83 you can't beat it.

(love the GBP/USD exchange rate right now!)

[I Leak Oil]

I have heard rumours that the 2 1/4 was turbo'd by some folks. Not a factory option but it has been done.

DAP used to sell a turbo kit for the 2.25P. I'll have to look but I might still have one of their old catalogs around with it listed.
Jason T.

[MerlynIIa]

Your can pick up some additional info. from the site http://www.bearmach.com/

They are a British Rover parts place but have online downloadable high quality exploded diagrams of late Series Landies. Just click on "downloads" and pick out the Rover you want, in our case Series.

Good luck!