Ragtop install

[dareguy]

I am in the process of putting a ragtop on my Series III. I was disapointed to see no Instructions for the novice. Does anyone know where I can find some good pictures that would show me where to intall the bits that came in the hoop kit? I have figured out most of them, but there are some "tie downs" that I can not figure out. Most importantly the ones that look like a "Y". Any pictures would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Russ
'72 Series III #86 "Geraldine"

[TSR53]

Hopefully these images will help.

How-to article from hard top to soft top article via LRO (http://www.lro.com) supplied via Wooday, thank you (1.8 MB PDF download (http://c7716.r16.cf2.rackcdn.com/RN-Forum/users/TSR53/LR-Series-How-to-go-from-hard-to-soft-top.pdf)).

(ps... my family lives in Lake Tahoe, South Shore area. I used to live in Lake Valley area.)


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[TSR53]

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[Les Parker]

Thanks for the pics. I was there taking these pix with a good friend over in Plattsburg NY about 3 years ago !! Thanks for finding them again.:thumb-up::thumb-up:

[TedW]

I always wondered where those gray foam pieces were supposed to go....

[dareguy]

Great photos, they will be a big help. I did not get the foam pieces, I can't tell from the pictures where they are going. I am still curious about a bracket that looks like a "y"

[wooday]

I have a great set of step-by-step on how to go from hardtop to soft top from an old Land Rover magazine. I've scanned to PDF but its 1.04MB and too large to post here. PM me and I can email it to you.
Cheers!




Les, you might think about posting this PDF somewhere on this forum. Its really handy!

[TSR53]

Les, you might think about posting this PDF somewhere on this forum. Its really handy!

PM sent

[dareguy]

I too have sent a PM and I am looking forward to the instructions.

Thanks

Russ and "Geraldine"

[Les Parker]

Thompson,

Can you set this up as a "Sticky" ?
I seem to be forwarding a few people to this......

Have a jolly hols.

:thumb-up:

[TSR53]

Sticky as requested.

[Les Parker]

Thompson,

Awesome, thanks very much !!!!!

[mrdoiron]

Thompson,

Can you set this up as a "Sticky" ?
I seem to be forwarding a few people to this......

Have a jolly hols.

:thumb-up:
Les,
I am also hoping to get a copy of the pdf if someone can send me please to mrdoiron@gmail.com

sorry if i don't t a 'sticky' sounds like it may be posted somewhere ?

much appreciated,
mike

[mrdoiron]

Les,
I am also hoping to get a copy of the pdf if someone can send me please to mrdoiron@gmail.com

sorry if i don't t a 'sticky' sounds like it may be posted somewhere ?

much appreciated,
mike

Any chance this is posted somewhere ?

Also, not sure the significance of "sticky"; appreciate some insights if that means a hidden door to files ! lol

thanks,mike

[JackIIA]

Also, not sure the significance of "sticky"; appreciate some insights if that means a hidden door to files ! lol

thanks,mike

Hey Mike. Sticky just means it's a post topic that is 'stuck' to the forum subject lists. In other words, when a post is made a sticky by an administrator, it never disappears from the top of the list of forum topics. You'll see what I mean if you scroll through acouple of pages of forum topics. You'll still see 'rag top' at the top of the list. So no, there are no hidden files! :rolleyes:

[mrdoiron]

great, thanks for the info... appreciated.

[wooday]

I'm getting PM'd about once per week since posting about a PDF file with instructions that I have. I believe those who have received it found it useful. Can Les or someone post it here so I don't have to email it out over and over?
Les, I sent it to you a while back. If you don't have it anymore I'll gladly send it again.
Thx

[Windsma]

I hate to post in a sticky but could you please list where you bought the Soft top from.

[Windsma]

Seems i was shipped the Defender 110 top. Any way to modify it to work.. or send it back to the UK?

The new EXmoor top i bought doesnt have the recest holes in the front as pictured. Its solid across the front w/ a sewn rope inside to be tucked under the lip. When i tuck it under there.. then its not long enough to fit the door opening.

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[Les Parker]

You could try a local trim shop, the best ones for this would be a boat trim shop.
All the best with it.
We have the Sand tops with windows due in later this week.

[Bertha]

Seems i was shipped the Defender 110 top. Any way to modify it to work.. or send it back to the UK?

The new EXmoor top i bought doesnt have the recest holes in the front as pictured. Its solid across the front w/ a sewn rope inside to be tucked under the lip. When i tuck it under there.. then its not long enough to fit the door opening.



Classic Exmoor-They are impossible to deal with. The only way to buy there stuff is through RN, otherwise be prepared to get screwed.

[wooday]

I would send it back and get the correct one.
If you told them the year/make/model of your truck, they should have sent you the correct top. It should fit without modifications - the Exmoor tops are expensive and modifications aren't cheap (if they're done by someone who knows what they're doing). Having someone modify the one you've been given could just F it up.

If you have a solid leading edge, it sounds like they gave you a top for the newer style Defender header, not for a Series. Mine had the holes like the one pictured.





Seems i was shipped the Defender 110 top. Any way to modify it to work.. or send it back to the UK?

The new EXmoor top i bought doesnt have the recest holes in the front as pictured. Its solid across the front w/ a sewn rope inside to be tucked under the lip. When i tuck it under there.. then its not long enough to fit the door opening.

[allende]

Exmoor's last batch of header rails was wrong -- the teeth are too far up. Waiting for replacement from them. New buyers should beware of this anomaly.

[stonefox]

I'm getting PM'd about once per week since posting about a PDF file with instructions that I have. I believe those who have received it found it useful. Can Les or someone post it here so I don't have to email it out over and over?
Les, I sent it to you a while back. If you don't have it anymore I'll gladly send it again.
ThxHas this pdf been posted somewere on this sticky ,I don't seem to see it. I don't want to pester Wooday for If its all ready on here
Thanks Sean

[TSR53]

Has this pdf been posted somewere on this sticky ,I don't seem to see it. I don't want to pester Wooday for If its all ready on here
Thanks Sean Hi Sean, yes I've posted this as a download on page 1 of this thread.

[stonefox]

Hi Sean, yes I've posted this as a download on page 1 of this thread.Thompson forgive my ignorance ,but I'm not seeing it.I see were you started a sticky but not a download . Sean

[jac04]

It's in Post #2.

Here it is:
http://c7716.r16.cf2.rackcdn.com/RN-Forum/users/TSR53/LR-Series-How-to-go-from-hard-to-soft-top.pdf

[stonefox]

My wife says I can't hear, I guess I can't see as well.Thanx

[crankin]

Here is another PDF showing and install.

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=32122

[jac04]

^^ Linky no worky.

[stonefox]

^^ Linky no worky.
I noticed that ,but if you go threw the other post I got there .Thankya Kindly

[uralrover]

Recently the Motor Pool where I worked threw away some aluminum tubing that fits into the hoop holes. So I am making some nice new hoops for my 109 and need to know the dimensions. I/E how tall above the body do the sides rise. How tall the arch is above the sides. Everything else I can figurte out from the pictures. But I don't want to make it to short or to tall. Can anyone help. I couldn't find it on line.

[Bilbo42]

Great sticky. I had it right!!!! ...YEA. it is a welcome day to get something right the first time on an old landie. THANKS for posting. Bil

[toga Rover]

Place some broom handles in the rolled up sides. It will give it a cleaner look with no sag. It will give you less rattling when driving too.

[LaneRover]

Recently the Motor Pool where I worked threw away some aluminum tubing that fits into the hoop holes. So I am making some nice new hoops for my 109 and need to know the dimensions. I/E how tall above the body do the sides rise. How tall the arch is above the sides. Everything else I can figurte out from the pictures. But I don't want to make it to short or to tall. Can anyone help. I couldn't find it on line.

If I was near mine I'd measure for ya but unfortunately I can't!

[jac04]

Place some broom handles in the rolled up sides. It will give it a cleaner look with no sag. It will give you less rattling when driving too.
Good tip. PVC pipe works nicely as well.

[Moose]

I've been using 1/2 inch wooden dowels for years on the sides and rear flap. Slip right in the bottom edges where the ropes pass through. Makes things much nicer when everything is rolled up. Get them at Home Depot.

Brett

[cgalpin]

If you still need measurements, post here after the 15th and I can take some measurements for you.

[RoverForm]

so you just leave them in the canvas?

i bet it makes rolling them up a little easier too...

[Eviljamie]

Saw this on Aloha Rovers. Hoop Dimensions.

http://www.aloharovers.com/tech/hoop2.htm


Cheers Jamie

[disco2hse]

Nice tutorial from Exmoor

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Another from Rugged Guide that shows clearly some of the bits that are not so easy to see in the first.

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[AU_88]

Did anybody have to expand the holes for the drip channel to bolt in behind the windshield? I just got the last drain channel I needed and the holes don't line up at all... I don't think drilling it out would harm anything, but I was just wondering what other peoples experiences were.

[Jim-ME]

Do you have the triangular piece. It bolts to the windshield and the side channel bolts to it. That is if I am picturing what you are describing correctly.
Jim

[AU_88]

This is what I am talking about, except my bolt holes don't line up...
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[Jim-ME]

Try tightening up your windshield clamps a little. Too much and the door top will hit the windshield so I'd do it with the door closed. The other thing is that they are handed. Is there any chance you got them mixed up?
Jim

[AU_88]

I tried with the clamps loose and tight, it seems like the drain channel curves into the windshield at the front and won't let the holes line up. I will keep trying this evening when it's not so hot.

[Jim-ME]

You want the side channels to go in behind the piece that goes along the windshield or I'm afraid that that part will leak like a sieve. Try loosening up the front channel and see if it will slide backwards toward the side channel.
Jim

[Jim-ME]

I just looked at mine. The "lips" or turned up edges on the corner brackets are pointed up. not down like yours. Here are two pictures of my brackets.

5112

5113

Jim

[AU_88]

That was just a generic picture, I will try and take a picture of mine today if I cant get it...

[Jim-ME]

I'll be interested in seeing your picture. Unfortunately I'm about to run out of ideas. Where did your parts come from? You don't suppose that different manufacturers put holes in different places?
Jim

[AU_88]

I will get those later today, I just got off from work and I am about to head out to the range, once I get back I will take some pictures.

The hoop set came with the truck, but came with two left hand drain channels so I ordered a new right hand channel from RN. They are very similar...

[xsbowes]

In the exmoor video, he puts a clamp on each leg of both hoops. This must be something the PO's keep, both rovers I've owned never had these when I got them.

[disco2hse]

In the exmoor video, he puts a clamp on each leg of both hoops. This must be something the PO's keep, both rovers I've owned never had these when I got them.

You can buy them new. They get lost sometimes.

[NickDawson]

Those videos were extremely useful!
Thanks for sharing them disco2hse! I've already seen a few small adjustments I can make for a better seal.

Anyone know about those rubber door seals the use? Do our hosts sell them?

[Jim-ME]

I think they are regular Defender door seals. I will be trying a set hopefully without having to grind off anything. I'll let everybody know how it went once they are on or not.
Jim

[disco2hse]

The door seals are different from the defender ones but they are expensive IIRC. I have just used generic rubbers from a supplier that sell various profiles by the metre. I guess you can use defender ones but they may not fit without some "adjustment".

[TedW]

I think they are regular Defender door seals. I will be trying a set hopefully without having to grind off anything. I'll let everybody know how it went once they are on or not.
Jim

I put the Defender seals on my IIA a year or so ago. They fit great, with no grinding necessary - in my case, anyway.

As they say, your results may vary......

[Dietersrover]

there is a great video on you tube by RuggedGuide. Titled Exmoor trimm 88 inch.

[Ross72SIII]

Excellent! Just what I needed!!

[dabawei]

Hi,

Can any one say the difference between Exmoor trim canvas product for S2a, there is an standard cotton and new line called deep weave canvas?

Is there much of difference where I can invest extra dollers, or since our weather hot and very hot No need to go the deep weave for extra water proofing (by the way no rains in our area 2 days per year might be)

Ahmad

[jac04]

Can any one say the difference between Exmoor trim canvas product for S2a, there is an standard cotton and new line called deep weave canvas?

It's my understanding that Exmoor Trim is now using the 'deep weave' canvas only and they are no longer producing tops out of the old material.

[dabawei]

Hi,

What are the difference between Exmoor trim ragtop and Britpart ragtop for series 2 88' WSW? In terms of quality, colours and final look?

BR
Ahmad

[Escargo]

Just one quick question. Both the "Proline" hood sticks and tilt went together pretty well but... Where does the rope(line if you are a sailor) go that comes out of the bottom front corner of each side curtain? It is too far forward of the closest hoop to tie to it.
Hans

[disco2hse]

See the second video I posted in posting #41. At 2:00.

[Escargo]

Can't find it. Can you tell me in words?

[disco2hse]

Tell you what. You make more effort, so I don't have to.

Try scrolling to the top of the page :sly:

[Escargo]

Gotcha. Thanks

[blue bomber]

I have a helpful hint when using these canvas tops. I was experiencing exhaust stink wafting into the cab any time the throttle was released. This may not be an issue with a stock style pea shooter muffler and tail pipe. But in my case, both the 2.25 and the 5.7 vortec, were killing me!!After multiple attempts to figure out how defeat the stank!! It took a quick history lesson to smart me up. If you look at a WWII MB jeep,the canvas is open except the rear. It is pulled down. Magic!! I just rolled it down and now it's gone. I can haul butt down dirt road without a dirt swirl coming in the back. Check out these images. I hope this is helpful .664566466647


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[Broadstone]

Put a soft top on for the first time yesterday and unless I am missing something I am not to impressed with how it fits along the windscreen/doortop corners. It is brand new though poorly stored by the previous owner so has discoloration. It seems to be that the corners do not stay where they are meant to. I have watched an install video and they say it will be a bit loose there to allow for shrinkage. As far as I see it if it shrinks it will be even worse there. I posted pictures as it lays by itself but also how easy it is to pull the corners up and I assume wind when traveling would cause it to pull up even more there. The strap along the windscreen and drain channels is tied back as instructed and makes no difference. Is this just how they are? and why after 60+ years of soft tops is there not a better design for a nicer fit?

[jac04]

^^The front piece with the 'tines' on it should be up against the windshield frame. On my SIII Lightweight, this piece is actually riveted to the windshield frame using the hole at each tine. This will bring the front edge of the top down, and will keep it in the gutters as well.

[Broadstone]

^^The front piece with the 'tines' on it should be up against the windshield frame. On my SIII Lightweight, this piece is actually riveted to the windshield frame using the hole at each tine. This will bring the front edge of the top down, and will keep it in the gutters as well.

Thanks for the reply, so if I follow you correctly I would have to bend the front rail downward to get it to touch the windscreen frame and then drill into the frame and rivot it? I am just not sure I want to drill my windscreen frame as now that its on I am kinda thinking its not as practical for me as the truck top I run it with.

[jac04]

I would bend it so that it is tight up against the windshield frame. Since you switch between tops, I agree with not riveting it.