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josefigueira
04-19-2010, 02:40 PM
Hi
I'm a new user so I hope you understand some of my newbie doubts...

I'm starting to substitute some of the crank retainers so I'm also thinking about to start painting the engine.
1 - Where can I see an original one and which are the color codes?
2 - I think there are only tw colors correct? Black and the that frequently known as duck egg blue?

Regards

TriedStone
04-19-2010, 06:05 PM
Welcome! I'm glad you asked the question I'm curious too. My 59 is original and it is grey, my truck is mid grey, which I don't think matters. Maybe the year has something to do with it. Lets see what the more experienced have to say.

Eric W S
04-19-2010, 06:50 PM
Hi
I'm a new user so I hope you understand some of my newbie doubts...

I'm starting to substitute some of the crank retainers so I'm also thinking about to start painting the engine.
1 - Where can I see an original one and which are the color codes?
2 - I think there are only tw colors correct? Black and the that frequently known as duck egg blue?

Regards

Google Dunsfold Land Rover. Look under their restoration section.

There is no such thing as duck egg blue. The color code is BSC101 which is Sky Blue. Correct. Black and blue. Series 2 club forum has the details on what was painted what.

Dunsfold has the paint for sale as do others on Ebay.

yorker
04-20-2010, 09:05 AM
There were red blocks too but those are the later ones 5mb etc.

http://www.ratomodeling.com/articles/RAF_skies/bsc318c1931.jpg

Duck Egg Blue appears to be a synonym for Sky Blue and it dates back to RAF documents in WWII, that is where the confusion I think emerges about that term.

http://www.ratomodeling.com/articles/RAF_skies/sky01.jpg

also fwiw:

Post-war British Army engine paint is often referred to as ‘Duck Egg Blue’ this is incorrect. The correct stuff is ‘Paint, Finishing, Heat Resisting, High Gloss, Sky Blue, BSC 101, Brushing, Air Drying, 8010-99-943-4730’ which comes in a 5 litre can. (Catalogue of Ordnance Stores & Ammunition section H1 (Part 1) Paints, Dopes & Varnishes, Army Code No. 13447, 1993). More recently 1 litre cans have been made available now described slightly differently as ‘Paint, Finishing, Heat Resisting, Sky Blue, High Gloss, BSC 101, Brushing, Air Drying, 8010-99-943-6189’. (Army Equipment Support Publication 0200-A-221-013,Painting of Service Equipment, 1998).

crankin
04-20-2010, 12:38 PM
Post-war British Army engine paint is often referred to as ‘Duck Egg Blue’ this is incorrect. The correct stuff is ‘Paint, Finishing, Heat Resisting, High Gloss, Sky Blue, BSC 101, Brushing, Air Drying, 8010-99-943-4730’ which comes in a 5 litre can.

Clearly, I understand why they called it "Duck Egg Blue"....who would want to say "Hey, hand be another can of that Paint, Finishing, Heat Resisting, High Gloss, Sky Blue, BSC 101, Brushing, Air Drying, 8010-99-943-4730."

Word reduction at its finest!

crankin
04-20-2010, 12:50 PM
And to throw some more information open for debate...
Here in the states it hard to find the BSC 101...so, some of us use the americanized version of Duplicolor Detroit Diesel Green.

Here is what it looks like on a ford engine block...
http://crbest.com/blocks/block02.jpg

and the BSC 101
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/Raincrow1/000_0412.jpg

yorker
04-20-2010, 01:03 PM
And to throw some more information open for debate...
Here in the states it hard to find the BSC 101...so, some of us use the americanized version of Duplicolor Detroit Diesel Green.

Here is what it looks like on a ford engine block...
http://crbest.com/blocks/block02.jpg

and the BSC 101
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/Raincrow1/000_0412.jpg

Unless I were doing a Concours restoration that Detroit Diesel paint is definitely what I'd use. Close enough for me. :thumb-up:

yorker
04-20-2010, 01:06 PM
Hey! What is that flat head going into?!

crankin
04-20-2010, 01:12 PM
Hold on now...don't get all excited. It's not what you think....
I just ripped it off from google images.

I painted my 2.25 Detroit Diesel Green but couldn't access my image account here at work. So, i had to use google image.

yorker
04-20-2010, 01:16 PM
Hold on now...don't get all excited. It's not what you think....


Awe... I got all excited for a minute. :D

JackIIA
04-20-2010, 02:26 PM
thread hijack - why would RAF paint all other non-fighter aircraft 'dull red'. This is a rhetorical question...unless someone knows the answer.

crankin
04-20-2010, 02:39 PM
thread hijack - why would RAF paint all other non-fighter aircraft 'dull red'. This is a rhetorical question...unless someone knows the answer.
the aircrafts were not painted dull red or BSC 101...this is the color for the "red and blue roundels on the upper surface...etc.." or the insignia.

greenmeanie
04-20-2010, 02:58 PM
Well following a common theme with the British Military we did paint some PRU Spitfires pink.

josefigueira
04-20-2010, 03:10 PM
Ok, thanks for the indications...
Now I have another doubt: which parts should be painted sky blue and which are black?
Does anybody have photos?
Many thanks
JF

josefigueira
04-20-2010, 03:41 PM
***Photos of a series III engine

scott
04-20-2010, 03:46 PM
i'm going to throw out a guess here and wait for the rivet counters to tell me how close/far off i am.

block, head, timing cover & water pump-sky blue, detroit dzl green, duck egg blue, alipine green (they're all the same to me)

all aluminum bolt ons -***** no paint

all steel bolt ons - black

exhaust manifold - it don't matter cuz it won't last

scott
04-20-2010, 03:49 PM
...all aluminum bolt ons -***** no paint...

just so ya don't think me a foul mouth sailor, the censors substitued ney-kid with the ****. ney-kid isn't a bad word when talking about metal, is it?

crankin
04-20-2010, 04:04 PM
i'm going to throw out a guess here and wait for the rivet counters to tell me how close/far off i am.

block, head, timing cover & water pump-sky blue, detroit dzl green, duck egg blue, alipine green (they're all the same to me)

all aluminum bolt ons -***** no paint

all steel bolt ons - black

exhaust manifold - it don't matter cuz it won't last


Also, valve cover silver (ney-ked)...Rocker cover breather assembly black.
And I think...dip stick...red?

scott
04-20-2010, 04:18 PM
Also, valve cover silver (ney-ked)...Rocker cover breather assembly black.
And I think...dip stick...red?


pay attention crankin or i'll have to change your name to crackhead :o

valve cover is aluminum and oil breather assembly is steel. i said leave the aluminum ney-kid and paint the steel things black. dang it i painted my dip stick yellow.

crankin
04-20-2010, 09:08 PM
Ah ha! Gotcha.

josefigueira
04-21-2010, 11:16 AM
Another silly (maybe) question: the interior chassis area, around the engine, is painted with the same color as the vehicle ou with another one? Regards

crankin
04-21-2010, 12:10 PM
You are correct. The engine bay is the same a the body paint color.

JackIIA
04-21-2010, 10:09 PM
the aircrafts were not painted dull red or BSC 101...this is the color for the "red and blue roundels on the upper surface...etc.." or the insignia.

ok, thanks crankin. i'd expect alot more would have been shot down if my original interpretation was correct!

JackIIA
04-21-2010, 10:14 PM
what about using Eastwood hi-temp paint for the manifold? it is supposedly specifically designed for that application and i've heard on other forums that it does indeed last. if you're going to paint the engine, would be nice to have the manifold look good too.

http://www.amazon.com/Eastwood-Factory-Temperature-Manifold-Paint/dp/B003D7HPRI

josefigueira
04-22-2010, 10:32 AM
Hi
Im having some difficulty finding a supplier of that color. Could anybody help me?
Regards

yorker
04-22-2010, 11:07 AM
http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/duplicolor_highheatceramic.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220585186120&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=ed385d9f1270a02653703190ffae5c82&rvr_id=&ua=WXI8&itemid=220585186120

DETROIT DIESEL ALPINE GREEN is usually close enough for most people.

crankin
04-22-2010, 12:19 PM
Its hard to find the Sky Blue BSC 101. I don't know of a supplier in the uk...and I am almost certain no one in the states will have it. Every once and a while a can will pop up on ebay.co.uk. Just keep a look out for it and bid when they come up if your heart is set on the BSC 101

You could take the paint code to someone and see if they could mix the right color for you...if they have heard of it. But make sure that they mix it to resist the heat.

Unless you are really doing a concours resto (or being a shade off will drive you insane)...go with the detriot green for $5 a can. You'll need about two cans....and don't worry about primer.