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  1. #11

    Default well done...

    you two! enjoyed your posts. i couldn't agree more nor express the rover way of life any better. too bad most rover owners don't put the same energy into their trucks as they do their family and friends.

    say, chris, you interested in writing my epitaph someday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GriffSC
    you two! enjoyed your posts. i couldn't agree more nor express the rover way of life any better. too bad most rover owners don't put the same energy into their trucks as they do their family and friends.

    say, chris, you interested in writing my epitaph someday?
    Well, I can't say I'd be glad to (certainly for your sake), but I will.

    Our Rovers lay the groundwork for our return to the dust from which we came. In most cases, it's a slow releasing of the fluids of life in the places we park and the deterioration of our frame. We learn to lament our rusty hinges. We struggle to make sense of our relevance in this world as those younger and quicker seem to grab the spotlight with all of their shiny plastic, fancy electronics, and efficient drivetrains. We know, though, that they will not last long at that pace, and that they will all eventually need pulled out of the muck, mire, and snow. Most will never see what lies on the other side of the pavement, but the imagination of what could be will always start and end with what a Rover has already done.

    See, ours is an iconic journey of meaningful miles. Very few journeys that are worth taking will see no adversity and require no work. It is in the care of our Rovers that we learn what ownership really looks like. It is in accepting their faults that we find some sense of peace with our own.

    I would even look after your widowed Rover for you. The Bible tells us to remember widows and orphans...thus, if my wife has a problem with another Rover, that's something she has to sort out with God, Himself. "Sorry, honey, but I don't write the rules..."
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    Chris Carpenter


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    Default More details about my 110

    This is from my e-bay listing. BTW the reserve is now $20k. I don't expect it to last long.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...fCarsQ5fTrucks
    For sale
    1984 Land Rover Defender 110. This vehicle has numerous upgrades and new parts. The frame was recently wax oiled to prevent any additional corrosion. The frame does have rust but this is in no way a basket case. The front outriggers were replaced with Land Rover OEM parts as was the rear cross member. Included in the purchase of the vehicle are two brand new Defender 110 doors (from the BMW era of Land Rover ownership and have substantially increased anti-corrosion properties). These retail for over $2000.00 each (if you can find them). Also included are brand new OEM Land Rover center posts (the inner door frames), new Land Rover OEM outer fender wings and new Land Rover OEM rear frame outriggers.
    The engine is a 200tdi installed by Lanny Clark (www.lannyclarkrovers.com) who is perhaps the best Land Rover specialist on the east coast. The engine was purchased from Rovers North and is in excellent shape. The transmission is an LT77 with a differential lock. The vehicle has always had only full synthetic Amsoil fluids in the axels, transfer case, transmission, engine oil, etc. The vehicle runs perfectly and is ready to drive anywhere in the USA. The TDI engine is fantastic on the highway and will hold a cruise at 70 MPH all day long. The vehicle is owned by a professional off road driving instructor and has been setup with an eye on comfortable driving to the off road event and performance while off road.
    In short this vehicle is ready to go and is the perfect Defender for someone who wants to hit the trail or complete the restoration process I began. Please e-mail any and all questions and I will respond quickly.
    Interior:
    New OEM Land Rover front 1/3 sunroof headliner
    Exmoor Trim Land Rover logo seat covers and seat foam
    Exmoor Trim front seat canvas seat covers with leather piping
    Exmoor Trim second row canvas seat covers w leather piping
    Exmoor Trim jump seat canvas seat covers w leather piping
    3 OEM Land Rover Jump seats
    OEM Land Rover heavy duty rubber seatbox cover
    OEM Land Rover rubber heavy duty kick panel inserts
    OEM Land Rover front and rear floor mats
    Battery Heater
    OEM Land Rover full leather steering wheel (VERY RARE)
    Wolf XD steering wheel pad with Land Rover logo
    Alpine MP3/CD/WMA player
    OEM Land Rover oil temp gauge and sender ($$$!)
    New instrument cluster
    Autometer Voltmeter gauge
    New Switch gear – turn signals, etc
    Luggage Locker under passenger
    OEM Land Rover sunroof
    Relocated rear wiper/washer controls
    Custom roof light control switches and light switches
    New windshield wiper motors front
    New wiring harness rear wiper
    Dynomat sound deadening acoustic panels installed in the roof and side panels
    New OEM Land Rover middle row upper inertia reel seat belts with OEM Land Rover brackets and carriers.
    OEM Land Rover Defender leather seat box/storage bin
    New style Land Rover interior lights
    Land Rover OEM rubber rear cargo mat


    Suspension/Steering/DriveTrain/Brakes:
    New Old Man Emu Extra Heavy Duty Gas Shocks
    New Old Man Emu Heavy Duty Springs
    OEM Land Rover Salisbury heavy duty rear axle with disc brakes (new style Defender calipers)
    Mantec Steering Guard
    Mantec Axle Guard
    OEM Land Rover axle breathers
    New Land Rover OEM Power Steering Box
    New Land Rover Power Steering lines
    Amsoil full synthetic fluids in axles, transmission, transfer case, power steering , etc.
    New brake lines.
    New front rotors, calipers, brake pads
    New universal joints
    New ball joints
    Swivel balls recently serviced and lubricated
    New wheel bearings

    Engine:
    Rovers North 200tdi (approx 5000 miles since installed).
    New Radiator
    New Fan Shroud
    New fuel lines
    New Expansion Tank
    New belts
    New Fuel Filter
    Recent oil change Land Rover OEM filters only and Amsoil full synthetic motor oil
    Zerostart block heater (for cold weather operation)

    Exterior
    Mantec Rock Sliders
    Mantec Snorkel
    Land Rover OEM diamond plate aluminum fender guards
    Land Rover OEM work light
    Land Rover OEM front grill
    Land Rover Camel Trophy front bumper and brush guard
    Land Rover OEM Defender 110 rear step bumper
    New rear cross member
    New front frame outriggers
    Carbon fiber wheel arch protectors
    New Land Rover OEM mud flaps front and rear
    Latest style 2006 Defender Roof with factory sunroof
    Hella Rallye 4000 Euro driving lights with Hella plastic clip on stone guards
    Hella fog lights
    IPF 920H European Code Headlights with Hella 80/130 bulbs
    IPF/ARB light relay kit
    Brownchurch aluminum roof rack kit with High Lift Jack
    FarmTech custom flooring for roof rack
    Land Rover OEM rear ladder
    Rovers North radiator muffler (cold weather operation)
    Winterforce extreme snow rated tires on OEM Land Rover Defender Wheels
    Wolf XD NATO steel wheels with Master Craft Mud Terrain tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpe
    Our Rovers lay the groundwork...
    lovely. simply lovely. brings a light mist to my eyes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Carpe
    I would even look after your widowed Rover for you. The Bible tells us to remember widows and orphans...thus, if my wife has a problem with another Rover, that's something she has to sort out with God, Himself. "Sorry, honey, but I don't write the rules..."
    Thanks for the kind offer, Mr. Carpe Roverem, but my beloved landies will be going to my boys.

    Sorry for the hijack, VTRover.

  5. #15

    Default 110

    Please elaborate on the "frame is rusty" remark. Other questions:

    Can you please post some pics of the rusty areas of the frame, the bulkhead, the floors, and any areas you might be concerned with?

    How solid is the frame? Is there just surface rust or is there and serious cancer?

    Any rust in the floors or bulkhead other than that is seen in the pics?

    Why is the left rear passenger door bent outwards?

    Any other body cancer besides the bulkhead?

    What are the major issues with the vehicle, if any?

    How is the tranny and t-case, any issues?

    I see in your listing that you want full payment within 3 days of auction close. This is kinda unrealistic when you live up in VT. Most people would need several days to a week to arrange travel, including myself.
    Last edited by Jeep Rescue; 11-21-2008 at 04:17 PM.

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    Sold on Ebay for $19k. Too bad he didn't take my offer of $20k....

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    Yah, but he was selling it as a 1980/1983 on ebay. DUBIOUS, man...just DUBIOUS! Apparently it was made over the course of 3 years now, but was really manufactured in 1983, because it was sold in 1984, because ebay won't take VIN numbers, because Margaret Thatcher, er, I mean, no...must have been Lec Walesa; DANG, that couldn't be right...Global warming?

    YOU DON'T WANT THAT TRUCK. If you had an accident in it and say...killed someone...they would assess the damage to your car. At that point, a good lawyer would easily figure out that it was of questionable legality for you to have it in the first place and go straight to your insurance company, grab them / you by your nuts and place them in a very expensive and very uncomfortable vice. I would; and I guarantee I would make a lot of money for myself and my client in damages over your negligence. You don't want that. I wouldn't want it happening to me.

    This is why it takes months of research to get the right truck. There is some turd bag trying to sell a non-NAS 1993 Defender 110 on ebay right now who will not, after some encouragement, make any statement in his advert that it will take an additional $15k to federalize it before it is legal to import into the US. That sin of omission is unfortunate. Someone is going to buy it thinking they are getting a sneaky deal / "great find" and realize that they will need to pay double to get their new sneaky deal legal in the US. Guys that can afford to pay for that get the real deal - the NAS 110's. Guys that don't know any better get to place a quick advert in the land rover exchange to try and unload it before storage fees eat their lunch (since they can't get it across the border - as they are not registered importers who can guarantee federalization). That seller is a douche.

    There is no replacement for due diligence in this hobby. If there are lots of screw-ups that diminish the integrity of the import process, I can only imagine that it will become more expensive for us all. The best bet you have at the moment is a fellow by the name of Julian Koeting over in the UK (find him on http://www.landroverexchange.com - the old LRX). You can get a good 1983 truck over here for under $20k USD and possibly get one with a 200tdi / 300tdi. In my opinion, that's a much more sound investment of your LR dollars - one that stands less risk of bringing you harm should the unforseen happen at customs, the DMV / DOT inspection for titling / registering, or, God forbid, at the investigation following an accident.
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    Chris Carpenter


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    Chris, Have you figured out who Oswald really worked for? Ruby, Roswell ?

    Not everything is a conspiracy.

    While the dissapointment may be crushing to the non believers, did you ever consider how many 110s came into this country leagally, at the ripe young age of 5 years?
    You seem to have scanned most of the NHTSA regs, but you forget (or didn't know) that the current 25 year rule replaced the old FIVE year rule not so long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrys
    Chris, Have you figured out who Oswald really worked for? Ruby, Roswell ?

    Not everything is a conspiracy.

    While the dissapointment may be crushing to the non believers, did you ever consider how many 110s came into this country leagally, at the ripe young age of 5 years?
    You seem to have scanned most of the NHTSA regs, but you forget (or didn't know) that the current 25 year rule replaced the old FIVE year rule not so long ago.
    Poor. Don't take pot shots or try to belittle me, Terry. That condescending polemic has no place here. First, the problem I have with the rover in this thread is that it has been billed as a 1984, a 1983 and a 1980. If (and I'll reserve my guess on this) it was brought in under the FIVE (capital letters and bold font seems to mean something) year rule not so long ago, just say that up front. Don't hem and haw around that it's a 1984, but really a 1983, but ebay won't take VIN numbers... If it's not legal yet, say that too, "this truck will have to wait until next year to be registered legally in the US."

    Second, the truck I talked about on ebay is in Vancouver and clearly doesn't fall under the aforementioned FIVE year program of days gone by. My facts were straight - yours were close. It would be fun to find one of those legacy trucks that came in under the 5 year law, but the fact of the matter remains, that is no longer the way the law reads. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that the truck was in currently Vancouver in my post. Did you not read that far?

    You see, the problem is that guys sometimes are willing to cut corners to sell a truck or to import one. I know that's a shocker...used car sales, dealing with exotics, limited supply / heightened demand. Sometimes, believe it or not, guy will even stretch the truth a bit about the condition of the truck.

    My concern, both for myself and for the other guys like me who really have to scrounge and save to get a 110 imported, is that I want to ensure, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the only grief I bring upon myself from purchasing an imported 110 is mechanical. Legal / unforseen financial / integrity issues stink for everyone.

    I cussed you under my breath when I read your post. Sorry about that. That wasn't very nice. I also probably took some liberties with sarcasm and polemic myself in this post. My apologies for that as well. We need to play nice with one another because without a solid community among folks owning or wanting to own older Land Rovers, each of our individual chances of owning a truck we we would roughly call our dream is inherently diminished.
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    Chris Carpenter


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    Chris, no apologies, especially if it was under your breath. I tend to be sarcastic alot, but I'm completely harmless. You do have to admit, alot of your posts question the legitimacy of trucks in the states. I was under the impression you were questioning VTRover's truck which is in the states.
    The first truck which comes to mind when pointing out an example of the old Five year gray market rule is my son's 1983 (or is an '84, I can't remember) Stage One 109. It was legally imported from Kenya, by a fellow from NY. Prior to the current 25 year ban on non listed vehicles. The NHTSA allowed every individual a one time, one vehicle exemption. Back then, safety items not onboard were done in the country of origin (Glass was the biggest issue they had, next to changing out clear lenses to amber) Porsches and MB were the most commonly imported gray market car, but I know of many Land Rovers, and have owned 4 of them that came in. Germany was the favored country to shop in since their vehicles are also LHD. There are a few 'individuals' who brought in many, using every family member and friend they had, as the named importer.
    Companies, such as Amerispec, in Ridgefield CT, qualified quite literally hundreds are vehicles which were shipped in Bond, in an as bought condition.

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