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  • bullstanky
    1st Gear
    • Dec 2007
    • 119

    Rear Driveshaft Hung Up In Crossmember

    I bought an Atlantic British parabolic suspension kit and had my shop install it in the place of the completely worn out shocks and springs on my SIII 109. The rear springs were so bad they were bending in an "s" shape in the wrong direction....

    The new suspension looks great, but when I went to pick it up from the shop, I immediately noticed a womp womp womp vibration when I let off the accelerator. After turning right back around and heading back to the shop, we figured out that the new springs changed the rear drive shaft angle so much that the clearance between the shaft and the hole in the cross member is minimal, and a balancing weight on the shaft is hitting the cross member. It doesn't help that the u-joint is also worn out.

    It looks like the mounts for the transfer case are worn out, and replacing these might give me just the lift I need to clear the cross member, in addition to a new u-joint and either balancing the drive shaft to eliminate the weight, or replacing it all together.

    So here's the question, are the transmission mounts that are available interchangeable and/or the same as the mounts above the transfer case? I can't find any transfer case mounts listed, and since the transmission and transfer case are mated, I'm hoping that they are one in the same.
    '75 SIII 109 Diesel - I'm in deep.
  • leafsprung
    Overdrive
    • Nov 2006
    • 1008

    #2
    same

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    • TeriAnn
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1087

      #3
      The gearbox mounts are the same as the engine mounts. The diesel ones are a bit stronger than the petrol ones. If your engine mounts look a bit tired you might as well replace them at the same time. It never hurts to carry a spare pair in case one or two break on you whilst out on the trail.

      Descending a canyon trail can be a bit tricky when the engine is flopping around loose in the engine bay and you have to stop frequently and lever it back to be more or less in line.
      -

      Teriann Wakeman_________
      Flagstaff, AZ.




      1960 Land Rover Dormobile, owned since 1978

      My Land Rover web site

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      • LaneRover
        Overdrive
        • Oct 2006
        • 1743

        #4
        Originally posted by TeriAnn
        The diesel ones are a bit stronger than the petrol ones.
        I have heard that the diesel ones are actually a bit weaker because they are softer in an 'attempt' to lessen the vibrations.

        Brent
        1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
        1965 109 SW - nearly running well
        1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
        1969 109 P-UP

        http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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        • chester rides again
          1st Gear
          • Aug 2007
          • 116

          #5
          I was having a similar problem with my RM parabolics. I went to the local spring shop and the guy told me that there are shims of various degrees, up to 5 degrees or so, that will raise the front angle of your rear axle.

          That would be a pretty simple fix to consider. You simply undo the spring, insert the shim between the spring and axle and bolt the u-bolts back. The only possible issue would be having to install a longer pin in the center of the parabolic spring.

          jeff
          '68 109 3 door with multiple personalities
          '03 Ford Excursion 7.3 diesel
          '07 Porsche Carrera S Cabriolet

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          • enovey
            Low Range
            • Oct 2006
            • 48

            #6
            Hopefully you can fix the problem, but Atlantic British would not sell me the set of parabolics that I ordered from them. After I placed the order, they called me back and said that they couldn't sell them because the sets that they were selling were giving other buyers problems. The exact problems you are having. They said that the springs raised the ride height too much and the shafts were binding.
            Again good luck with a fix, maybe you can still return them?

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            • KevinNY
              4th Gear
              • Oct 2006
              • 484

              #7
              Parabolics will usually settle a bit, then your problem may go away. Throw 500 LBS in the back and leave it there for a few days while you drive around.
              The Goat, 2.8 Daihatsu Td, '73 coil conversion

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              • I Leak Oil
                Overdrive
                • Nov 2006
                • 1796

                #8
                Originally posted by bullstanky
                The new suspension looks great, but when I went to pick it up from the shop, I immediately noticed a womp womp womp vibration when I let off the accelerator.
                Sawzall Baby!!!!!
                (seriously....)
                Jason T.
                Jason
                "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                • thixon
                  5th Gear
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 909

                  #9
                  Replace you're joints, they probably need it anyway. Let the springs settle, and replace your mounts. You should be good. Most (I'd say all, but someone on here would correct me) leaf springs settle quite a bit a short time after installation.
                  Travis
                  '66 IIa 88

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                  • Eric W S
                    5th Gear
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 609

                    #10
                    Leave the Sawzall for more appropriate tasks. Thixon hit it on the head. Fix the shaft and wait for the springs to settle then replace the bushings.

                    While your there inspect you brake lines to ensure they are not too taught and investigate longer shocks as well. OME are a popular choice.

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                    • bullstanky
                      1st Gear
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 119

                      #11
                      Thanks all for the advice. I think I'll leave the sawzall alone for now, replace the u-joints/driveshaft and engine/gearbox mounts. If the shaft is still binding after all of that, a couple hundred pounds of sandbags might become a fixture in the bed until time/gravity do their trick.

                      Originally posted by enovey
                      Hopefully you can fix the problem, but Atlantic British would not sell me the set of parabolics that I ordered from them. After I placed the order, they called me back and said that they couldn't sell them because the sets that they were selling were giving other buyers problems. The exact problems you are having. They said that the springs raised the ride height too much and the shafts were binding.
                      Again good luck with a fix, maybe you can still return them?
                      Interesting that Atlantic British wouldn't sell the parabolics. I first tried to get the spring kit from RN in May, and was suprised when I called to be told that they wouldn't have any available until next year. I then called Atlantic British, who sold me the parabolics and didn't mention a thing.

                      I called Atlantic British two days ago to describe my problem and ask about the mounts (they couldn't tell me that the transmission and transfer case mounts are the same). I described fully the issue and that it arose from the new spring kit, but there was no mention that this is a recurring issue.

                      After paying $1000 for the suspension installation, I'm not likely to pull the springs and send them back. Anybody think they should give me a discount on the parts to fix the problem?
                      '75 SIII 109 Diesel - I'm in deep.

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                      • Eric W S
                        5th Gear
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 609

                        #12
                        Probably best since the problem is a vendor different from our host to take the issue offline and work something out with their customer service...

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                        • scatterling
                          1st Gear
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 183

                          #13
                          do you have the Salisbury rear?
                          I just got parabolics from RM and Mark told me that I would more than likely have to get shims because of the Salisbury, my 2 cents
                          Neil Hanekom
                          '73 LHD 88
                          '75 FFR 109 exMOD Build Photo's
                          '99 D1

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                          • bullstanky
                            1st Gear
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 119

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scatterling
                            do you have the Salisbury rear?
                            I just got parabolics from RM and Mark told me that I would more than likely have to get shims because of the Salisbury, my 2 cents
                            I do have the Salisbury rear end. Where can I find shims that will do the trick?
                            '75 SIII 109 Diesel - I'm in deep.

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                            • bullstanky
                              1st Gear
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 119

                              #15
                              Originally posted by scatterling
                              do you have the Salisbury rear?
                              I just got parabolics from RM and Mark told me that I would more than likely have to get shims because of the Salisbury, my 2 cents

                              I do have the Salisbury rear end. Where can I find shims that will do the trick?
                              '75 SIII 109 Diesel - I'm in deep.

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