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  • rwollschlager
    5th Gear
    • Sep 2007
    • 583

    Can only think of moving forward....

    Those snow banks in parking lots can be deadly. I got stuck on one about three feet from the edge and I tried to rock it back and forth. When i put in reverse it made a loud BANG and popped out of gear. Once i got pulled out of the snow reverse did not work any more. I let the clutch out and i hear a snap crackles and pops and it jumps out of gear, but no reverse movement.

    All of the other gears work fine 1-4 and the truck is a 72 series III 88. When I drain the Transmission oil later I'll take pictures of what comes out of the oil. Any ideas what I broke and what I have to do to fix it?
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    72 SIII 88
    67 SIIA 109
    82 SIII Stage 1 V8
    -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --
  • greenmeanie
    Overdrive
    • Oct 2006
    • 1358

    #2
    Layshaft rear bearing. Mine went recently at a shopping center car park and there was much amusement from some onlookers as I pushed her out of her spot, used the hand crank to get her going and then jumped in and drove off.

    In this case your truck will drive forward but you'll be chewing up the back end of the layshaft doing it.

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    • Mercedesrover
      3rd Gear
      • Oct 2006
      • 343

      #3
      Could be the reverse idler gear too.
      www.seriestrek.com

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      • I Leak Oil
        Overdrive
        • Nov 2006
        • 1796

        #4
        Reverse Idler gear is a common problem. There is really only one way to find out and that's to open it up. Chances are there is nothing that can be fixed without opening it anyway. My condolences...
        Jason T.
        Jason
        "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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        • rwollschlager
          5th Gear
          • Sep 2007
          • 583

          #5
          Originally posted by Jason T.
          Reverse Idler gear is a common problem. There is really only one way to find out and that's to open it up. Chances are there is nothing that can be fixed without opening it anyway. My condolences...
          Jason T.

          So i take it out comes the seat box and interior and out comes the transmission? I do have a bunch of old series III transmissions that should be in working order they have just been outside for the last 15 or so years left over from my dads 109 rebuild. This is going to suck.... but i guess this is what i get for being a dumbass in the first place.
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          72 SIII 88
          67 SIIA 109
          82 SIII Stage 1 V8
          -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --

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          • Jeff Aronson
            Moderator
            • Oct 2006
            • 569

            #6
            Nothing dumb about bad luck . Yes, the floors and seatbox need to come out. If you have a Series III, the center crossmember should be removable rather than welded on. You can lift the car and drop the transmission, or lift the transmission out of the car.

            If I could rebuilt a transmission, you can. The problem with using an uknown transmission is obvious - you don't know the condition of what's there. You might consider taking the risk of dropping in another one and then rebuilding your existing one.

            While you have the transmission out of the car, it's a good time to look at the clutch plates and replace them.

            Good luck and let us know of your progress,

            Jeff
            Jeff Aronson
            Vinalhaven, ME 04863
            '66 Series II-A SW 88"
            '66 Series II-A HT 88"
            '80 Triumph TR-7 Spider
            '80 Triumph Spitfire
            '66 Corvair Monza Coupe
            http://www.landroverwriter.com

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            • Terrys
              Overdrive
              • May 2007
              • 1382

              #7
              If the gearbox you are going to put in has been sitting around (especially outdoors) make sure you take some emory or crocus cloth and clean the input shaft to a smooth finish. The end of the input shaft that fits into the pilot bushing should be bright metal, or you'll eat up the bronze bushing and have to start all over again. The splines should also be as clean as you can get them so the clutch disc is free to move, or you will glaze either the flywheel or pressure plate.

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              • rwollschlager
                5th Gear
                • Sep 2007
                • 583

                #8
                Thank you all for the advice!

                I am going to use one of the old transmissions lying around and rebuild that one and clean it up and remove all the surface rust before I even disassemble my rover.

                Which is easier: dropping my transmission or lifting it out. I have access to a garage with a lift so i could drop it out. I will have to check about that removable cross-member. that might be a lifesaver!

                -Rob
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                72 SIII 88
                67 SIIA 109
                82 SIII Stage 1 V8
                -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --

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                • SafeAirOne
                  Overdrive
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3435

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rwollschlager
                  Which is easier: dropping my transmission or lifting it out.
                  I've only had to do mine once, but I found it quite easy to pull the seat box and transmission hump and use an engine hoist to R&R the transmission and transfer case simultaneously.
                  --Mark

                  1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                  0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                  (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                  • teechizpet
                    Low Range
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 26

                    #10
                    I've tried it both ways and I found dropping it in with a hoist was easier. It was much harder to manoeuver from underneath. It also gives you some wiggle room which will be required when sliding it out and putting it back. All in all it's not that complicated it 's just mostly grunt work. Be very careful the transmission is heavy enough to crush anything under it should it slip from the lift!

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                    • CliftonRover
                      3rd Gear
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 351

                      #11
                      Rob, thats too bad... It sounds like its your reverse idler gear, I have done a few of them and there are little tricks that make the job easier. the rear layshaft bearing race is the toughest. you need to drill a small hole in the back of the tranny lined up with the race to punch it out backwards. this is a scary thing you don't want to have to drill more than one hole. before you decide on what tranny you want to rebuild check out the suffix letters on the sides of the boxes. I have been told to generally avoid suffix A boxes. also if sitting outside the water can get in throught the small hole in the round steel insert in the top of the tranny.

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                      • rwollschlager
                        5th Gear
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 583

                        #12
                        at last some progress!!!

                        Originally posted by Jeff Aronson
                        Good luck and let us know of your progress,

                        Jeff
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                        72 SIII 88
                        67 SIIA 109
                        82 SIII Stage 1 V8
                        -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --

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                        • rwollschlager
                          5th Gear
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 583

                          #13
                          more progress

                          heres what i got done this weekend.

                          ------------------------------------------------
                          72 SIII 88
                          67 SIIA 109
                          82 SIII Stage 1 V8
                          -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --

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                          • Drain Rovers2
                            Low Range
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 82

                            #14
                            I love how that lawn tractor pulls the series with no problem...
                            -Ethan
                            1966 2a 88' Pickup
                            1966 2a 109' Pickup
                            2002 F550 7.3l
                            1997 f250 7.3l

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                            • Tim Smith
                              Overdrive
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 1504

                              #15
                              Looking good Rob.

                              Don't worry about it taking longer than expected. This is your first time getting into the truck and you are still finding out which bolts turn and which bolts don't. The more jobs you get into with this, the more you'll get to be an old hand at it.

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