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  • 1971Series88
    1st Gear
    • Dec 2011
    • 172
    #1

    Not good....

    Ok so i just found a 1963 Series II 109 BugEye. I can nab it for a reasonable $$.

    What to do? I just bought my IIa 88, but I always wanted a 5 door!!

    Good...no frame rot, no floor rot, and minimal bulkhead, all panels on outside are tip top, no surface rust anywhere on the outside. Tropical roof, interior is in great shape...really good shape.

    Biggest bummer is it is RHD...so cost to convert????

    It runs fine....weird though it has lights on the rad panel as well as the bugeyes on the wings?

    Thoughts....what do you think?
    1963 Series IIa 109" 5 door Safari top (SOLD to new home)
    1971 Series IIa 88" Soft top (SOLD to new home)
    1995 RRC - LWB
    2001 Discovery II SE7 (SOLD to new home)
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    • REDrum
      1st Gear
      • Nov 2011
      • 175
      #2
      Have you driven RHD? If not, it really isn't that hard to adjust. (whats harder is adjusting to the roads it was designed to be driven on...hate driving in UK) And, from what I understand, if you consider going there, its easier to swap a TDI into a RHD vs a LHD. Plus, you can get your mail w/o going against traffic

      As for wanting a 109 over an 88, I'm with ya. So if you need some peer encouragement, GO FOR IT!

      I would love a 109 (in concept) but for 70% of my needs, right now, an 88 is more functional/practical for me. Perhaps a 109 someday....
      The Toltec Coffee fleet....
      96 FZJ80: 3XL, lifted, and shaved
      94 FZJ 80: our Costa Rican coffee and surf mobile
      70 Series IIA 88: After 18 months of wrenching, its alive and legal to drive!
      70 Series IIA 88: in US on H-1B visa
      56 Series I 86: a whole new type of rover hell....

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        • LaneRover
          Overdrive
          • Oct 2006
          • 1743
          #3
          I concur, adjusting to right hand drive isn't that bad. The first time or two you'll feel like a drunk neanderthal driving but in no time you'll be fine.

          Strangely enough I sometimes found parallel parking hard because my 'point of view' was off. But in reality no big deal.

          And other people love it if you have a dog riding with you in the 'drivers' seat.
          1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
          1965 109 SW - nearly running well
          1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
          1969 109 P-UP

          http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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            • siii8873
              Overdrive
              • Jul 2007
              • 1013
              #4
              the "bugeye" lights must have been an add on if a 63'. Having two of these is a good thing one to drive while working on a problem with the other
              THING 1 - 1973 88 SIII - SOLD
              THING 2 -1974 88 SIII Daily Driver - SOLD
              THING 3 - 1969 88 SIIA Bugeye Project
              THING 4 - 1971 109 SIIA ExMod - SOLD
              THING 5 - 1958 109 PU
              THING 6 - 1954 86" HT

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                • cinelliguy
                  Low Range
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 13
                  #5
                  I drive a 1969 RHD 109 and it not a big deal at all. Once I got use to it, like an hour or two, I don't even think about it anymore, really.

                  Guy

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                    • 1971Series88
                      1st Gear
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 172
                      #6
                      Originally posted by siii8873
                      the "bugeye" lights must have been an add on if a 63'. Having two of these is a good thing one to drive while working on a problem with the other
                      I wonder if it is a real Bugeye though? Being an import ROW model the year may be right?...dunno...but it has the correct trim pieces etc, and the marker lights are side by side ... Both beehive clear..

                      I am not concerned about the ability to drive a RHD... I grew up with that, it just seems "sensible" to have a LHD?.....grrrrrrrrrr decisions decisions.......

                      Parting it out would also generate a lot more cash than what I would buy it for....but I hate to see these go that way!
                      1963 Series IIa 109" 5 door Safari top (SOLD to new home)
                      1971 Series IIa 88" Soft top (SOLD to new home)
                      1995 RRC - LWB
                      2001 Discovery II SE7 (SOLD to new home)

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                        • I Leak Oil
                          Overdrive
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1796
                          #7
                          Originally posted by 1971Series88
                          I wonder if it is a real Bugeye though?
                          Two things are for sure here. One, there were no 1963 bug eye trucks. Two, you have the roveritis virus if you're considering a second!
                          Jason
                          "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                            • 1971Series88
                              1st Gear
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 172
                              #8
                              It would be #4

                              Well and truly stupid!
                              1963 Series IIa 109" 5 door Safari top (SOLD to new home)
                              1971 Series IIa 88" Soft top (SOLD to new home)
                              1995 RRC - LWB
                              2001 Discovery II SE7 (SOLD to new home)

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                                • LaneRover
                                  Overdrive
                                  • Oct 2006
                                  • 1743
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by 1971Series88
                                  It would be #4

                                  Well and truly stupid!
                                  Woo-Hoooo!!
                                  1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
                                  1965 109 SW - nearly running well
                                  1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
                                  1969 109 P-UP

                                  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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                                    • Skookumchuck
                                      2nd Gear
                                      • Oct 2010
                                      • 269
                                      #10
                                      just switch it to a LHD when your do the inevitable frame off restoration. Now you just need to find a donor truck with a LHD bulkhead.
                                      1968 Series IIA
                                      1987 D90 Kid's project
                                      German wirehair Pointer (Wood Hound)

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                                        • o2batsea
                                          Overdrive
                                          • Oct 2006
                                          • 1199
                                          #11
                                          The '63 bulkhead will have the mirrored cut outs for the pedal towers and steering shaft.
                                          To swap you will need a LH steering box, and the steering relay in the frame has to move over to the other side (rewelding). You'll reroute some brake lines and a few other odds and ends, plus move the e brake handle to the left side if is not there already. I think you'll need to swap the arms on the swivel.
                                          Not a big thing except for the frame mods and locating a LH steering box.

                                          A 63 five door is going to have some problems. Double check the wings and doors in particular as they are pretty much unobtanium.
                                          I guess by "bug eye" you mean headlights in the breakfast. I think most agree that the bug eye term is for trucks post 1969 when the lights moved to the wings (fenders)

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                                            • I Leak Oil
                                              Overdrive
                                              • Nov 2006
                                              • 1796
                                              #12
                                              Bug eye refers to the first trucks that used the non-recessed lights in the fenders, not the recessed type. They basically took the lights in the radiator support and stuck them to the outer surface of the wing.
                                              Jason
                                              "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                                                • 1971Series88
                                                  1st Gear
                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                  • 172
                                                  #13
                                                  This has both...

                                                  bugeyes, raised chrome rings, on the wings and normal lights in the breakfast.

                                                  Trying to get some pics.

                                                  FYI - the front doors have rusted bottoms, I expect these are available from our host right?
                                                  1963 Series IIa 109" 5 door Safari top (SOLD to new home)
                                                  1971 Series IIa 88" Soft top (SOLD to new home)
                                                  1995 RRC - LWB
                                                  2001 Discovery II SE7 (SOLD to new home)

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                                                    • o2batsea
                                                      Overdrive
                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                      • 1199
                                                      #14
                                                      FYI - the front doors have rusted bottoms, I expect these are available from our host right?
                                                      Series 2-2A doors are unobtanium. You will have to modify a S3 door or repair what you have.

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                                                        • Jim-ME
                                                          Overdrive
                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                          • 1379
                                                          #15
                                                          Check Ebay UK. There is a gentleman in England that makes 2a doors and I believe he ships to the US.
                                                          Jim

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