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  • Dibsen
    Low Range
    • Jan 2013
    • 55

    Whitwoth Spanners, necessary?

    Getting ready to drop the trans on a SIIA, I have read that without the Whitworth spanners, the job can be a real knuckle busting pain.

    going off of this blog : http://www.stumpie.com/tech/gearbox/

    Can anyone attest to that?

    I found a nice looking set in a tool roll on ebay that seem reasonable

    Any other personal experiences that might help are welcome

    Thanks
  • o2batsea
    Overdrive
    • Oct 2006
    • 1199

    #2
    It's been a long time since I worked on a Series trans, but to my feeble recollection all the fittings are UNF, not Whitworth. I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong there. In fact there aren't all that many Whitworth fasteners at all on a Series.
    There are a few tho, and the ones that you can't get an SAE tool on are the really small ones that are somewhere between a 3/8 and a 5/16ths.

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    • I Leak Oil
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1796

      #3
      Nothing a good set of SAE and metric can't handle.
      Jason
      "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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      • SafeAirOne
        Overdrive
        • Apr 2008
        • 3435

        #4
        Originally posted by I Leak Oil
        Nothing a good set of SAE and metric can't handle.

        Side note: Sometimes 6-point stuff works better than 12-point when you're using the wrong tools.

        Another side note: It's verry fuzzy--I can't remember for sure and I might be wrong, but I seem to recall that the nuts that hold the transfer case to the transmission sit in recessed (counterbored) holes, making Whitworth WRENCHES of limited value (for THAT particular task) anyhow.
        --Mark

        1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

        0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
        (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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        • leafsprung
          Overdrive
          • Nov 2006
          • 1008

          #5
          Lots of whitworth/BSF stuff in the trans and axles. Its worth having a set. Its inexpensive and saves aggravation.



          Originally posted by SafeAirOne
          Side note: Sometimes 6-point stuff works better than 12-point when you're using the wrong tools.

          Another side note: It's verry fuzzy--I can't remember for sure and I might be wrong, but I seem to recall that the nuts that hold the transfer case to the transmission sit in recessed (counterbored) holes, making Whitworth WRENCHES of limited value (for THAT particular task) anyhow.

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          • greenmeanie
            Overdrive
            • Oct 2006
            • 1358

            #6
            I view it as a nice to have but not essential.

            In similar manners to the above I typically just use metric tools. If it is something that has a critical set torque like a head bolt I'll start getting more interested but those are few and far between in BSF on a Rover.

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            • Contractor
              1st Gear
              • Jan 2013
              • 127

              #7
              I have a set and have not really used them that much, but I suppose they are nice to have.

              British Tool and Fastener's sells very affordable sets if you are looking for new. Based out of NY so you don't deal with overseas shipping.
              1969 IIA - Tan
              1969 IIA - Blue

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              • SafeAirOne
                Overdrive
                • Apr 2008
                • 3435

                #8
                Ahh...yes--The 3/8 BSF nuts that hold the transfer case to the transmission DO sit in counterbored holes, so proper WRENCHES will do you no good here. You'll also need the sockets:


                (Pic 'borrowed' from this site here: http://www.land-rover.org/fitting-a-...-transfer-box/ )


                ...and here's a link to a handy little conversion chart to show you what you're up against when using...other tools. For instance, those 3/8 BSF nuts take a .600" socket; A lot more that a 1/2" socket, a little more than a 9/16" socket, but not quite a 5/8"
                --Mark

                1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                • TeriAnn
                  Overdrive
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1087

                  #9
                  Originally posted by I Leak Oil
                  Nothing a good set of SAE and metric can't handle.
                  Or in theory, nothing an adjustable spanner could not handle if you have clearance. Many folks use wrenches that are a close approximation to the correct size & hope that they do not round off the head.

                  Whitworth sizes show up in the axle assemblies, gearbox and transfercase. But not in many sizes. Usually about 3 different sizes of wrench & sockets will handle everything.

                  1/4W (5/16 BSF) and 3/16W (1/4 BSF) are 2 handy sizes. And there is a larger size for the nuts that hold the transfercase to the gearbox. I do not remember the size but you should have that one as a socket. There is no need to buy a whole set.
                  -

                  Teriann Wakeman_________
                  Flagstaff, AZ.




                  1960 Land Rover Dormobile, owned since 1978

                  My Land Rover web site

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                  • SafeAirOne
                    Overdrive
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 3435

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TeriAnn
                    And there is a larger size for the nuts that hold the transfercase to the gearbox. I do not remember the size but you should have that one as a socket.
                    3/8 BSF = 5/16 BSW
                    --Mark

                    1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                    0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                    (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                    • Donnie
                      2nd Gear
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 287

                      #11
                      I guess this is NOT the time to offer my drawer full of Snap-on tools for sale to this group..I am thinking of selling everything Rover as my wife is having some health issues....I have one Rover left & kinda hate to part with it, but I seldom use it anymore.
                      In my Whitworth drawer there are about 50 pieces all Snap-on..sockets from 3BA to 7/8 BS...3/8 & 1/2" drive Snap-on ratchets.
                      wrenches are combination..smallest 3/16 BS to 1/2 BS....a 3/8 flex & a few xtensions..& a large MELCO double ended socket
                      There are also about a dozen German other open wrenches included...ANYONE interested in a NICE PRO tool set
                      send me a message.......Donnie
                      I spent most of my money on women & cars, the rest of it I just wasted.......

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