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  • superstator
    2nd Gear
    • Aug 2008
    • 298

    109" side frame

    Does anybody have any good photos of the point where the sideframe rails, bulkhead, and chassis meet on a 109"? Mine were completely rotted away and when I test fit the replacements last night it seems... off. The front end of the rail extends several inches beyond the chassis outrigger, which would leave the bulkhead floating out in space somewhere. So either this is another quirk of the NADA chassis, or I'm missing something fundamental.
    '67 109 NADA #413 - rebuilding w/ TDI & galvy chassis.
  • SafeAirOne
    Overdrive
    • Apr 2008
    • 3435

    #2
    Hmm...side frame?

    The entire frame is called the chassis. Using the terminology "chassis rails" for the main rails of the frame, and "outriggers" for the short parts that stick outboard of the chassis rails and "crossmembes" for the parts that span the chassis rails would help our understanding of what you need a photo of.


    Here's a pic of my bulkhead outrigger just prior to replacement. I think that may be what you're looking for. Of course, the chassis alignment diagrams from the WSM may be helpful also.

    --Mark

    1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

    0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
    (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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    • superstator
      2nd Gear
      • Aug 2008
      • 298

      #3
      The side frame is the bit that runs from the rear tub (it's actually riveted into the tub assembly) up to the bulkhead.



      I think I found a shot that shows what I need here: http://automotion.smugmug.com/Restor...ject/i-tNKvwxP
      '67 109 NADA #413 - rebuilding w/ TDI & galvy chassis.

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      • TeriAnn
        Overdrive
        • Nov 2006
        • 1087

        #4
        If you are looking for dimensions showing the location of chassis parts. This is the best I have. Sorry about the quality as the original blueprint was faded.

        -

        Teriann Wakeman_________
        Flagstaff, AZ.




        1960 Land Rover Dormobile, owned since 1978

        My Land Rover web site

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        • SafeAirOne
          Overdrive
          • Apr 2008
          • 3435

          #5
          Originally posted by superstator
          The side frame is the bit that runs from the rear tub (it's actually riveted into the tub assembly) up to the bulkhead.

          http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDe...e=0&eq=&key=it

          Ahh. OK.

          I don't have a photo of one of those.
          --Mark

          1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

          0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
          (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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          • o2batsea
            Overdrive
            • Oct 2006
            • 1199

            #6
            That part is more commonly referred to as the "T-piece". They are often rotted away to nothing. They are not available as "genuine" any more. The ones you see for sale are aftermarket pattern parts. They are the same as Defender 110 5 door, so they are readily available from a number of sources. You can also buy individual parts for them from YRM Metal Solutions. You can get the YRM parts direct or thru Dave Dearborn at Urban Land Cruisers in Atlanta. If you have a set that is in good nick, then you are in great shape!
            It is best to work off the bulkhead outriggers as far as body parts go. Bolt up the bulkhead, then add the T pieces, then the rear tub, blah blah blah. So if the bulkhead outriggers are good, that's your starting point.

            PS the pic is of a 110, not a Series. The T pieces are the same, tho, as I mentioned. Well, almost. There is a slight difference in the door sills, and the 110 ones don't have the door catch holes in the right place for Series door hardware. You'll have to drill for the door catches if you are replacing the T pieces.

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            • superstator
              2nd Gear
              • Aug 2008
              • 298

              #7
              Yup. I've got it pretty well worked out now - I just had a faulty mental image of how it was going to go together. Thanks all!
              '67 109 NADA #413 - rebuilding w/ TDI & galvy chassis.

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              • DGG
                2nd Gear
                • Nov 2006
                • 304

                #8
                Originally posted by o2batsea
                That part is more commonly referred to as the "T-piece". They are often rotted away to nothing. They are not available as "genuine" any more. The ones you see for sale are aftermarket pattern parts. They are the same as Defender 110 5 door, so they are readily available from a number of sources. You can also buy individual parts for them from YRM Metal Solutions. You can get the YRM parts direct or thru Dave Dearborn at Urban Land Cruisers in Atlanta. If you have a set that is in good nick, then you are in great shape!
                It is best to work off the bulkhead outriggers as far as body parts go. Bolt up the bulkhead, then add the T pieces, then the rear tub, blah blah blah. So if the bulkhead outriggers are good, that's your starting point.

                PS the pic is of a 110, not a Series. The T pieces are the same, tho, as I mentioned. Well, almost. There is a slight difference in the door sills, and the 110 ones don't have the door catch holes in the right place for Series door hardware. You'll have to drill for the door catches if you are replacing the T pieces.
                What are some of the sources for the T-piece? I'm looking for one. Would even buy a good used one.
                Doug
                61 Series II 109 SW
                95 RR County LWB
                06 Range Rover
                98 Discovery LE

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                • ivan
                  Low Range
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 47

                  #9
                  doug

                  I got 1 in excellent condition

                  send ne ph.no. and I will call you

                  e mail me your email and will send you pictures

                  1434 977 6195

                  [email]dgboyd1946@embarqmail.com

                  thanks david aka ivan
                  Last edited by ivan; 03-10-2015, 04:09 PM.

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                  • DGG
                    2nd Gear
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 304

                    #10
                    Where did you get it?
                    Doug
                    61 Series II 109 SW
                    95 RR County LWB
                    06 Range Rover
                    98 Discovery LE

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