Terminology - Sound like you know somwthing

[vlad_d]

Hello Rovers!

Somewhat new to Land Rover world, and I must admit that I'm scratching my head at some of the acronyms. I'm embarrassed to say I found out some of these just a few days ago. Thought I'd start a thread. Might be fun to post what we 'thought they meant along the way. It's fun to laugh at ourselves, too.

MOD/Ex-MOD - This means "Ministry of Defense" and it means the truck was a military surplus vehicle in the UK. Some differences in design for military. - In retail context, this means "Manager on Duty". Heh. Not that. Although they are pretty "Boss"

LWB - This means "Long Wheel Base" and it denotes the 109" or 110" models.

SWB - This means "Short Wheel Base" and it denotes the 88" and 90" models.

NOS - This means "New, Original Stock" and it means the part is New in the box, but it might have been sitting on a shelf since 1975. This is often the only way to get original equipment that is discontinued.

NAS - I have no idea what this means. Is this a reference to a certain rapper? ;D Little help here?

TDI - To the rest of the world, this means "Turbocharged Direct Injection". On VW's its often on the Diesel motors, so I kind of always assumed it meant "Turbo Diesel Injected". It's the intake for the motor. It has a turbocharger which shoves more air+fuel into the engine, and fuel injection system. Stop me if any of this is wrong. - On Land Rovers, this is a model of Defender? Does that model have a TDI setup? Should I call my Series "Series Carbeurated/Series 3c"?

What are some acronyms that stumped you?

[vlad_d]

...to add to the indignity, I miss spelled the Title and I can't change it. o_o

[mearstrae]

NAS, North American Spec. ROW, rest of world (spec). TDI is as you say. Series 3c isn't a thing, since all Series Land Rover had carbs. Unless you consider the Discovery Series II, a horse of a different color.

[vlad_d]

NAS, North American Spec. ROW, rest of world (spec). TDI is as you say. Series 3c isn't a thing, since all Series Land Rover had carbs. Unless you consider the Discovery Series II, a horse of a different color.

What exactly makes it a "North American Spec"? Other than seat belts and the steering wheel on the left? I see NAS in front of everything. Does that mean the bolts are UNF instead of metric?

Oh, better add:
RHD - means "Right Hand Drive", where the steering wheel, pedals and driver are on the right side of the car.

UNF - means "Unified Fine Thread". It's like SAE sizes of bolts (fractions of inch) but finer thread pitch. Sometimes called "machinist" threads. But basically a useless moniker, because there might be 2 or 3 different thread pitch sizes that qualify as "fine" right next to each other. I wish people referred to sizes in full name, example "5/16ths - 22 - Grade 8". Then you'd know what you're getting. But I'm going on a tangent.

[vlad_d]

NADA - What?!

[mearstrae]

NADA, kinda like NAS, North American Dealer Area. NAS is of course left hand drive (as are Dutch vehicle and some others), have all the same bolts (basiclly metric on newer LR's, and BSF and BSC (similar to UNF and UNC), or even Witworth on older LR's) etc. Pretty sure that newer NAS vehicles have different polution controls, as UK (and EUR) worry more about carbon dioxide, and here we worry about hydro-carbons. And, perhaps different safety standards. UNF= unified national fine. UNC= unified national course. You'll also find NPT referred to and that's national pipe thread. Then you've got SAE references also. Confused yet???

[cedryck]

IDNS= It does not start.
ILO= It leaks oil.
IHTHPWD= It's hard to hear passengers when driving.
NBWWOR= Need beer when wrenching on Rover.
Cheers lads!

[jimrr]

thx, for the exmod, finally i know. don't forget OEM "original equip. manufacture"..... and having worked for the gubment 35 yrs. I know a lot of those !!

[mearstrae]

Now that this can of worms is open... Bolts and nuts are usually NC or NF (national course or national fine) in inch sizes, you'd be hard pressed to find other thread pitches at the local auto parts or hardware store. Grade markings are pretty easy, just add two to the number of lines shown on the head of a bolt, two lines - grade 4, three lines - grade 5, etc. Most folks don't know but, nuts and lock washers also come in grades, as do flat washers. These should be matched up when putting something together. I've found grade 2 nuts an grade 8 bolts, pretty useless. Oh, the reason for adding two to the number of lines on a bolt head is...unmarked bolts are grade 0 or 1 or 2. There are other bolt markings as well, but these are the common ones. And some graded nuts use a dot system on the tops, one dot grade 4, etc.

[vlad_d]

IDNS= It does not start.
ILO= It leaks oil.
IHTHPWD= It's hard to hear passengers when driving.
NBWWOR= Need beer when wrenching on Rover.
Cheers lads!

I definitely have an ILO Series 3! No need to check the serial number! And I don't remember asking for that package option!

[mearstrae]

The ILO option comes free on all British cars (by order of the Queen). Sort of a passive warning system for fluids, if you don't see the offending fluid then it's empty. More accessible than a dip stick. And not pricey like the Rover Cars "Ice Alert" system, to warn of approaching glaciers (after the Titanic, an option by Royal decree)... [This last one's real, there was an "Ice Alert" option, I have one from my '70 Rover 3500S.]

[vlad_d]

A comment on NAS/ROW...

After learning about the meaning, below(thanks for that), I saw a product listed as "NAS & ROW". So, that means "North American Spec" and "Rest Of World", right? So, the product description means basically "fits all", because there's nothing left. Unless you count the Mars Rovers, right?! ;p

I think sometimes all these acronyms obfuscate the meaning more than helping to describe things.

[roverp480]

You have to take into account that these notations originate in the UK . So ROW excludes the UK . Another older one used by Rover is NADA ( North America Dollar Area ) which includes US and Canada . It all makes sense here in the UK but I agree these acronyms are ambiguous . It is common in many industries that acronyms accepted as the norm become ambiguous or contradictory outside them. I worked for Rover & Land Rover and one had to emphasize to some employees that the Market was global , especially Land Rover , and one had not to become too parochial in ones thinking.

[vlad_d]

Ah, okay...that makes sense. I guess I didn't think it through:

NAS/ROW means it would work in North America, and export markets, but not necessarily in the UK.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply the US is the center of the world .

I think I just see alot of letters in front of parts these days more so that search engines will catch the words rather than being useful to us. I think most people would use the LR part number than trust something just fits because they bought their LR in the NADA zone.

[vlad_d]

"Rivet Counter" - A Land Rover restoration enthusiests who is extremely meticulous about factory correct details. This term is often a perjorative term.

I have a question for the forum about Land Rover enthusiests. Land Rover owners...at least classic Land Rover owners...seem to fall into a couple categories. Every car culture is different, but in the last few months of owning a LR I feel like I've seen these types of owners. Do they have names, like the "Rivet Counter" above?

What do we call this person?- Paid for a Series truck in the mid 1960's and refuses to spend another cent on it since. Replaces bolts and washers with whatever they have on the farm, often the wrong size. Uses house paint and brush to paint said Land Rover. Willing to work 20 hours to re-use a rusted piece of sheet metal that can be readily purchased for $5 new. Puts backyard gate latches on their truck's doors. Posts videos on YouTube about how clever they are that they "fixed" something on their car with big box hardware store (possibly plumbing?) parts. Do you know these guys?

How about parts suppliers? Do they get nick-names? Here is a typical one: Has 12 products on their website, but only 5 have photos. You're just supposed to send money on faith. You order the part "next day air". They spend a week shuffling around the wherehouse in limbo with no confirmation that anything is happening. Finally, an email comes and they say they don't have your part, never had it. Also, your other parts are delayed because they don't actually have a wherehouse and the entire operation is just a PO box and a re-seller for BritPart. It turns out your missing part is also on their website from 3 other manufacturers, but no one bothered to suggest the other one sitting on the shelf right next to the one you wanted. 5 Weeks later, you finally get the part and it fits like it was made by kids in art class. You spent $90 shipping a $25 part, and don't want to spend another $50 shipping the turd back for a "refund". Do these guys have a name? Oh, yeah , LRDirect.