Understanding what makes a LR

[S11A]

And there is hope for us diesel owners:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10

[S11A]

One note - the post above on building an engine was mostly a thought exercise - it would probably be cheaper and more of a sure thing to swap out for a 200 or 300 TDI and required parts...

[Eric W S]

I thought the factory did build a 2.25 with near 200 HP? I remember hearing this rumour somewhere. I will have to review the pertinent pages in the "History of Land Rover" book.

ACR has EFI for the 2.25. Add that to the 2.8 block they have and it sounds like a nice little motor. Nearly as much as a new 300TDI though due to the exchange rate.

But if your looking for that sort of power from a series, as some posters have, your much better served with a V8 (Chevy, Ford, Rover) or another alternative power plant.

I think there is enough room in the community for V8 rovers, stock rovers, and Mercedes/Cummins rovers. I love reading about the swaps from folks like Merc Jim. Merc's stuff is very thought provoking and inspiring. Well if he did A I wonder If I could do B. . .

[greenmeanie]

Add ricey stickers and vinyl graphics (good for at least 50 BHP)

Ah, you forgot the fart can silencer on the exhaust, big BOV and neon underlights.

I thought British North West used to have a page detailing a supercharged 2.25. I can't find it now as I suppose it does not fit in with their stock restoration image any more.

Cheers
Gregor

[S11A]

I have heard that the violently colored silicone hose kit adds maybe 20 - 25 as well.

[Eric W S]

Ah, you forgot the fart can silencer on the exhaust, big BOV and neon underlights.

I thought British North West used to have a page detailing a supercharged 2.25. I can't find it now as I suppose it does not fit in with their stock restoration image any more.

Cheers
Gregor

They do have a page. It's their Safari Four engine page. They mention custom built engines, including super and turbo charging in the text only.

Funny thing is that you never really hear about this engine. You'd think you run across some feedback somewhere on the web abouot it, but in 8 years I have never seen much if anything about it.

The last super charged four I saw recently was advertized for sale at Huddersfield inthe UK. Looked interesting...

EwS

[NC Rover]

After a bit of searching, I found the nitrous article for which I was looking:

http://www.ag.auburn.edu/users/parmega/articles/neon/

Pretty funny (not to mention illegal), but the moral of the story is that you can make more power with any engine.

My sense is that if a person wanted to spend the bucks, he or she could probably make some relatively serious power with a stock 2.25. The longevity would depend on the strength of the stock mill and how much power it would handle.

If you started with the 5-main block, had it magnafluxed, balanced, and blueprinted, added better bearings, etc., it might make a good starting point.

Some head work, a 5-way valve job, and extrude hone the head and intake.

Then swap the cam, add roller lifters, add electronic ignition, fuel injection and an engine control unit (ECU), intake manifold, and swap the exhaust manifold for headers and a better exhaust.

I would also look at a low pressure turbo, maybe in the 4 - 5 PSI range, tuned for throttle response. Add low compression pistons.

Dyno tune.

Add ricey stickers and vinyl graphics (good for at least 50 BHP)

I seriously can't stop laughing at that article... *tear in eye*

[msggunny]

Ok, since everyone else is putting in their 2 cents worth here is mine.

If i had the money i would love to own a cherry Series II, fully restored. It would rarely leave the garage though.

I prefer my ratty Ex-MOD 88 though. I drive it to work, to hunt in, to go fishing in, etc. Its never going to win an award, and i am glad.

Some of the Rover owners i have seen seem to think that all Series Rovers must be 100% original, any thing other than stock or genuine LR is blasphemy, that painting the galv capping is horrible, that you cant milk a few extra HP out of the 2.25.

Good for them, i enjoy and actually understand where their thought process is going.

I love my Series, my Disco, and the last Disco i have owned. I can not see owning any other 4x4 from now on other than a LR.

But these things are tools, to be modified and worked over to suit the owners needs. They are not to be worshiped in their pristine original condition unless they are in a museum.

When i get the time, money, and my current engine expires in my SIII it will get replaced with something else, as will the axles, as will the transmission and tcase. And i am going to paint it the brightest yellow with black capping's.

Will this make it any less of a Land Rover?

I dont care. Its a tool that i use to get me from place to place, and i will still call it a Land Rover.

I still want a cherry SII 109 SW though......

And a 101 FC

And LW

And what ever else i can get my hands on....

[Jim-ME]

Very well said!

[SalemRover]

SIIA,

That was one funny article in a schadenfraude sort of way. The moral of the story is to NOT buy from auto rental places. Nitrous indeed.

-Jason

[junkyddog11]

I meant Nitrous for the driver, although I suppose using it in the motor wouldn't hurt.

[Terrys]

And there is hope for us diesel owners

Try Propane injection.

[S11A]

Due to the "increasingly vigorous interest in British Northwest's Safari Four™ engine", check out the British Northwest web page:

http://www.olywa.net/land-roverco/safari_four_extra.htm

They "just might transform your reluctant Land-Rover into something of a world-beating champion!"

Apparently this causes new performance problems requiring solutions such as they "now offer 100 and 120mph speedometers".

Anyway, despite the humorous writing style, not much in the way of specifics were provided, and the "memo" as they called it does not mention forced induction. It does say a 40 - 50% greater BHP. That would put it around 100 BHP, almost as much as a 200 or 300 TDI. No mention of torque, however.

Ah, here's another page on their site:

http://www.olywa.net/land-roverco/engine.htm

It says "ignition to exhaust, including camshaft profile, induction systems, cooling, cylinder head design, fuel delivery, and component material". No mention of supercharging, and the photos don't show it either. It does show headers, probably an upgraded carb, distributor.

Might be a nice engine, despite the "BILLY MAYS HERE, WITH EXITING NEWS ON ORANGE GLO!!!" infomercial "memo". Memo to Billy Mays: remember to take your medications.

It would be interesting to check the price against a TDI. It sounds like both would have the same issues such as axles and transmission.

[TSR53]

Might be a nice engine, despite the "BILLY MAYS HERE, WITH EXITING NEWS ON ORANGE GLO!!!" infomercial "memo". Memo to Billy Mays: remember to take your medications.

Funny you. Nice, good laugh this morning - thanks!

[SalemRover]

In case you can't do the nitrous, there is always this.