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  • east high
    3rd Gear
    • Jan 2008
    • 337

    Stuck door tops

    I went to replace the seals between the door tops and bottoms today and found out that the tops are rusted in place. Any suggestions on how to get them loose without damaging anything?
    '67 sIIa 88
  • Momo
    3rd Gear
    • Dec 2006
    • 347

    #2
    PB Blaster, a rubber mallet, a paint scraper and a six pack of PBR
    '60 SII Station Wagon
    '64 SIIA 109 Regular
    '68 SIIA 88 Station Wagon

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    • I Leak Oil
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1796

      #3
      Originally posted by Momo
      PB Blaster, a rubber mallet, a paint scraper and a six pack of PBR
      I hope the PBR is to rinse the excess PB blaster off the paint! You can't be serious about putting that in your body....Mud Light is much better.
      Jason T.
      Jason
      "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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      • east high
        3rd Gear
        • Jan 2008
        • 337

        #4
        I think the PBR is meant to eat through the rust.
        '67 sIIa 88

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        • dunerunner
          1st Gear
          • May 2008
          • 110

          #5
          If you consumed the PBR 6er before the attempt you have something to blame, if reserved 'till after, it will help you cope. If the job is a success, call a friend who home brews and have them bring over a keg.
          '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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          • PH4
            3rd Gear
            • Jan 2007
            • 375

            #6
            I had same problem last month. I used PB Blaster, chisel, long flat head screwdriver, and hammer. Not a problem is you sacrifice the old seal strip.

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            • east high
              3rd Gear
              • Jan 2008
              • 337

              #7
              Cool. The old strips are mostly gone anyway, so no big. It seems like most of the rust is in the bolt tunnels, which gives me some concern. I figure I'll soak the s**t out of those areas, bang away and hope for the best.
              '67 sIIa 88

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              • I Leak Oil
                Overdrive
                • Nov 2006
                • 1796

                #8
                If they're so rusted that PH4's described method doesn't work then you can try using some heat. Or double nut the ends of the stud and give it a go with an air chisel. You need a flat attachment and the end nut will be sacrificed but I've had good luck with this method. I once had a set that didn't budge. So out came the sawsall!
                Jason T.
                Jason
                "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                • dunerunner
                  1st Gear
                  • May 2008
                  • 110

                  #9
                  OK, on the serious side use the slow and deliberate approach!! Soak the S**T out of it and tap lightly working the scraper or flat tipped appliance you decide to use between the upper and lower door. Try to get the wedge above or below the sacrificial seal which, as has been posted earlier, is probably hardened and deteriorated. Work slowly, soaking and wedging until you have seperated the parts. This has worked for me in the past without having to resort to power tools but it took me three days of slowly working to get both door tops off my 109.
                  '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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                  • east high
                    3rd Gear
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 337

                    #10
                    Three days? Good grief.

                    The irony in all of this is that by the time I finally finish the rainy season will be over.
                    '67 sIIa 88

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                    • dunerunner
                      1st Gear
                      • May 2008
                      • 110

                      #11
                      No Prob....You'll have the door tops off for summer!!
                      '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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                      • ACP30470
                        Low Range
                        • May 2008
                        • 20

                        #12
                        I have a pair off one piece doors off a 1959 series 2. $500.00 for the set and no more rust between the top and bottom doors ever (should stop the door whistle while you drive too!).

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                        • ccray
                          Low Range
                          • May 2008
                          • 4

                          #13
                          moving the thread a little...

                          ok, about 4 weeks ago, i soaked mine for a week with penetrating oil. hammering did nothing. i finally got them out with an air hammer using a nut to keep the tip from bouncing off. i soaked the hole and shaft with phosporous acid after getting them out...

                          so my question is -- is there some method of putting new posts onto the window. mine are rusted down a full size smaller than OE. one plan is to rethread them for a smaller nut, but if i could weld in some new rods, i could thread them to the origional size -- whatever that was...

                          any ideas -- it is so cool to drive around with the door tops off. now if it will just stop raining...

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                          • dunerunner
                            1st Gear
                            • May 2008
                            • 110

                            #14
                            Our Host has new door top frames (NRP) for less than $100. Seems with this issue it's worth the money. I have found that when trying to weld or braze to rust affected metals it always (ALWAYS) leads to more trouble than reasonably necessary.
                            '94 D-90, '59 SII 109 Regular

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                            • BellaCoola
                              Low Range
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 45

                              #15
                              Was taking my door tops off last weekend for hard top off fun in the sun...When I was putting them back on, I over torqued one of the nuts and spun the damn bolt right out of the door. Upon further inspection realized that the underside and the bolt holes were pretty rusted.
                              Phoned up Jeremey and Ray at Rocky Mountain (15 mins from my place) and picked up two new RM door tops. Very nice...both windows slide, door tops are a lot stiffer, resulting in a much better fit.
                              If you are having this much problems getting them off, I would suspect that you should be looking at new or used tops. My recomendation is pick up a set of Rocky Mountain Door Tops...very sweet, well made and virtually the same look as the standard door tops.

                              My two cents.
                              2006 LR3 HSE HD ~ daily driver
                              1991 x-MoD 19 KK 88 Defender 110
                              1965 x-MoD 35 ET 73 Sankey Narrow Track Trailer ~ Sold
                              1956 Series 1 86 Hardtop 173601415

                              1955 Series 1 86 Hardtop 57130577 ~ just a heap o' parts now

                              1985 Series III 109 x-MoD BATUS 77 KC 63 < sold lives in Calgary

                              http://defender110.webs.com/

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