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  • Bertha
    3rd Gear
    • Nov 2007
    • 384

    Voltage Regulator/Alternator Question

    Can someone outline what modification is needed to the voltage regulator when you switch out the generator for an alternator. This is for a late 2a which is wired negative ground. I have done this in the past, but it was a while ago and I forgot what the process was, any help would be appreciated.
    1965 109 2door hardtop (restored years ago)
    1971 88 (restored and as new)
    1967 88 (the next project)
  • Leslie
    5th Gear
    • Oct 2006
    • 613

    #2
    -L

    '72 SIII SW 88"
    '60 SII 88" RHD

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    • Jeff Aronson
      Moderator
      • Oct 2006
      • 569

      #3
      I'm puzzled. When you have a negative ground late II-A, you should have an alternator installed already, not a generator.

      Am I wrong? Did some late II-A's with negative ground come with generators?

      Thanks,

      Jeff
      Jeff Aronson
      Vinalhaven, ME 04863
      '66 Series II-A SW 88"
      '66 Series II-A HT 88"
      '80 Triumph TR-7 Spider
      '80 Triumph Spitfire
      '66 Corvair Monza Coupe
      http://www.landroverwriter.com

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      • Bertha
        3rd Gear
        • Nov 2007
        • 384

        #4
        Leslie-Good info but doesnt address dealing with the voltage regulator. I know there is a way keep it in the truck while changing some wiring that goes to it.
        1965 109 2door hardtop (restored years ago)
        1971 88 (restored and as new)
        1967 88 (the next project)

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        • Bertha
          3rd Gear
          • Nov 2007
          • 384

          #5
          Originally posted by Jeff Aronson
          I'm puzzled. When you have a negative ground late II-A, you should have an alternator installed already, not a generator.

          Am I wrong? Did some late II-A's with negative ground come with generators?

          Thanks,

          Jeff
          Late 2a's came with generators wired negative ground. BTW nice photo shoot.
          1965 109 2door hardtop (restored years ago)
          1971 88 (restored and as new)
          1967 88 (the next project)

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          • superstator
            2nd Gear
            • Aug 2008
            • 298

            #6
            Why not just get an internally regulated alternator?
            '67 109 NADA #413 - rebuilding w/ TDI & galvy chassis.

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            • jac04
              Overdrive
              • Feb 2007
              • 1884

              #7
              When I did the conversion a long time ago on a late IIA, Rovers North faxed me the instructions. IIRC, it involves running a few 'jumper' wires on the external regulator. Have you tried contacting RN?

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              • leafsprung
                Overdrive
                • Nov 2006
                • 1008

                #8
                1) cut the old connections between the terminals on the back
                2) solder jumpers between D,A and A1
                3)move ignition warning lamp circuit from D to F
                4)connect charge circuit from Alt to D
                5) reconnect A and A1 wires

                This will convert the regulator to a junction box for use with an internally regulated alternator such as a delco 10si.

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                • Bertha
                  3rd Gear
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 384

                  #9
                  Originally posted by leafsprung
                  1) cut the old connections between the terminals on the back
                  2) solder jumpers between D,A and A1
                  3)move ignition warning lamp circuit from D to F
                  4)connect charge circuit from Alt to D
                  5) reconnect A and A1 wires

                  This will convert the regulator to a junction box for use with an internally regulated alternator such as a delco 10si.
                  Thanks Ike-I knew you would come through with the answer I needed.
                  1965 109 2door hardtop (restored years ago)
                  1971 88 (restored and as new)
                  1967 88 (the next project)

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                  • Donnie
                    2nd Gear
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 287

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jeff Aronson
                    I'm puzzled. When you have a negative ground late II-A, you should have an alternator installed already, not a generator.

                    Am I wrong? Did some late II-A's with negative ground come with generators?

                    Thanks,

                    Jeff
                    Yes Jeff, my 1967 6 cly 109 RHD came with a generator.. I changed it to a GM 10si...............Donnie
                    I spent most of my money on women & cars, the rest of it I just wasted.......

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                    • CliftonRover
                      3rd Gear
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 351

                      #11
                      sounds like the advice you got is right on. i had rovers north fax me the wiring diagram for he alternator conversion. it is easy.

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                      • Leslie
                        5th Gear
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 613

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bertha
                        Leslie-Good info but doesnt address dealing with the voltage regulator. I know there is a way keep it in the truck while changing some wiring that goes to it.
                        Gotcha; I knew Bayou Jim's pages had several things related to alternators, ground conversion, etc.... the voltage regulator modifications isn't something I'd dealt with, as I replaced my alt w/ a Delco, the starter solenoid with a standard one like a winch has (akin to the common Ford type), and I don't have an external voltage regulator. Now that I see what Ike posted, it's vaguely familiar, as in, I may have seen reference to such a decade ago, but nothing I'd dealt with....
                        -L

                        '72 SIII SW 88"
                        '60 SII 88" RHD

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                        • Jeff Aronson
                          Moderator
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 569

                          #13
                          Donnie,

                          This is really interesting. Your 109" 6-cylinder would, of course, been a home market car.

                          Bertha, did the Rover-imported 2.25 cars also have a negative ground generator?

                          Thanks,

                          Jeff
                          Jeff Aronson
                          Vinalhaven, ME 04863
                          '66 Series II-A SW 88"
                          '66 Series II-A HT 88"
                          '80 Triumph TR-7 Spider
                          '80 Triumph Spitfire
                          '66 Corvair Monza Coupe
                          http://www.landroverwriter.com

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                          • 109 Pretender
                            1st Gear
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 110

                            #14
                            Jeff,
                            My 67 109 NADA 6 cyl. orig. equip. was a generator (1st year for neg. gnd in British car industry). Perhaps some IIB (68-69) Rovers had alternators. I think series III all had alternators. You know how the manufacturers sorta "bleed over" some parts between model changes - wouldn't surprise me that Rover might have used what they had ready for the Series III at the end of the IIB run.

                            Cheers!

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                            • Bertha
                              3rd Gear
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 384

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jeff Aronson
                              Donnie,

                              This is really interesting. Your 109" 6-cylinder would, of course, been a home market car.

                              Bertha, did the Rover-imported 2.25 cars also have a negative ground generator?

                              Thanks,

                              Jeff
                              I think that anything up to the series 3 had a generator. Negative ground started with the late 2a(possibly as early as the bug-eye) from what I recall.
                              1965 109 2door hardtop (restored years ago)
                              1971 88 (restored and as new)
                              1967 88 (the next project)

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