To Fram or not to Fram??

[Linus Tremaine]

iso cert

Meeting ISO test requirements doesnt mean that fram is as good as other filters.

Not knocking it but I would like to see a test result comparison before making a choice. I use wix for the record.

[motorking]

Hi Jay,

Quick question:

Land Rover V8's. What filter is recommended?
PH16 standard, TG16 mid grade, EG16 for extended oil changes with synthetic oil.
What is the size of that filter, compared to the genuine Land Rover filter?

I do not have a OE Rover filter handy to measure it. The FRAM filter is 3.66 in diameter, 3.69 in tall. The standard filter holds 12 grams of dirt and is 96% efficient. The Extended Guard version is 97% efficiency and holds 20 grams capacity

[motorking]

Meeting ISO test requirements doesnt mean that fram is as good as other filters.

The ISO test has no "requirements". It measures the ability of a filter to trap (efficiency) and hold dirt (capacity) with a measured particle size (20 microns)
Not knocking it but I would like to see a test result comparison before making a choice. I use wix for the record.

I can give you our test results (they are right on the box) but you should ask other filter makers for their results. What credibility would they have if I gave them to you?
BTW- WIX is around mid to high 80's% in efficiency, much lower than FRAM

[Leslie]

I do not have a OE Rover filter handy to measure it. The FRAM filter is 3.66 in diameter, 3.69 in tall. The standard filter holds 12 grams of dirt and is 96% efficient. The Extended Guard version is 97% efficiency and holds 20 grams capacity

Jay,

The genuine ERR3340 is about 4-1/4" tall. So the PH16 is over a half-inch shorter than OEM/genuine. (I'll admit I don't know the capacity and efficiency of genuine.) The Purolator equivalent, L25195, is also 4-1/4", and is listed to only fit the Rover V8 engine. May I ask why would Fram cross-reference over to a shorter filter that fits so many other vehicles, instead of having an appropriate-length one, other than cost-savings? It can't be 'better' to have a shorter filter, can it?

Thanks for replying...

[motorking]

Jay,

The genuine ERR3340 is about 4-1/4" tall. So the PH16 is over a half-inch shorter than OEM/genuine. (I'll admit I don't know the capacity and efficiency of genuine.) The Purolator equivalent, L25195, is also 4-1/4", and is listed to only fit the Rover V8 engine. May I ask why would Fram cross-reference over to a shorter filter that fits so many other vehicles, instead of having an appropriate-length one, other than cost-savings? It can't be 'better' to have a shorter filter, can it?

Thanks for replying...

Size doesnt always matter when it comes to filters (notice he trend in OE filters getting smaller and smaller). The ability to trap and hold dirt is what really matters. I gave you the capacity of the PH16, suggest you contact Purolater to see what theirs is. If you compare our PH16 to our EG16, they are the same size and the EG16 can trap almost twice as much dirt.

[yorker]

Motorking- what are the stats for Fram CH-822PL & CH-834PL1
which are the original filters for our 2.25ls?

What issues might there be with replacing them with a PH16 and or a PH8a?

[gudjeon]

I may be wrong, but unless there is something very wrong with your motor, or you just drove through a volcanic ash cloud, filter junk capacity shouldn't be an issue if changed with every oil change.

I like my old cannister and element. They are back in fashion again.

[Apis Mellifera]

I generally use Fram, but I have a flow-through oiling system and the oil never stays in the engine long enough to actually get dirty.

They're apparently good enough for Enzo

[amcordo]

Is that a sack of windshield fluid? God feraris are weird.

I generally use Fram, but I have a flow-through oiling system and the oil never stays in the engine long enough to actually get dirty.

They're apparently good enough for Enzo

[gudjeon]

Ford used a windshield washer fluid sack many years ago as well. It had the letters FoMoCo written in large on it. Also, used a "tomato juice can" for a vacuum reservoir. Landies only have the "bean can" for b/fluid.

I guess designers raided the kitchen more than others.

[LaneRover]

Its not a colostomy for the driver?

[gudjeon]

Or the bag could be hooked up to replace the astronaut diaper

[yorker]

One of my 88s had the same windscreen washer bag setup. It connected to a manual rubber bulb type thing fastened on the bulkhead that you pushed to pump water.

[superpowerdave]

One of my 88s had the same windscreen washer bag setup. It connected to a manual rubber bulb type thing fastened on the bulkhead that you pushed to pump water.

My 109 does as well. Is your's operable? It's not been a priority for me but I know it's not. Would love to see any pics you have of it's mounting if you had a chance.

[yorker]

The plunger/spray bulb thing on the bulkhead still worked but the bag was shot so I binned it- I figured I'd replace it with a bigger container for washer fluid but have not yet gotten around to it. From the looks of it I think it was a dealer add on option, I am pretty sure I have seen it on a couple parts Rovers over the years.