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  • Rineheitzgabot
    4th Gear
    • Jun 2008
    • 386

    I know nothing about starters...

    ...except for tapping on them with a hammer makes them work, sometimes.

    This is exactly where I am with mine. It has a "grinding" kind of sound, now. It will crank for a few seconds, then slow way down, then stop. After cranking it and then stopping, it will not cranking again, unless left for a long period of time (a day), I will tap on it with a hammer, and it will crank again. However, it does not sound healthy, and something certainly needs done.

    What sounds like the likely fix for this starter?

    Thanks,
    Gary
    "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow
  • 73series88
    5th Gear
    • Oct 2009
    • 587

    #2
    mine acted like that to.
    i took it all apart cleaned it up
    put a new spring behind the bendix ring.
    worked well when i directly hooked it to the battery
    but when put it back in place it lost power
    i read some post that someone had ran a ground lead from the
    battery post to one of the bolts that holds it in.
    worked perfectly after that.
    aaron
    73 series III 88 2.5 na diesel daily driver
    67 series 2a 88 RHD sold
    88 RRC sold
    60 mga coupe

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    • stomper
      5th Gear
      • Apr 2007
      • 889

      #3
      Since I just had my starter rebuilt, I may be able to help you here. It sounds to me like either the battery is worn out, or you are not getting good connection to the starter. (ground, or power) Check the battery terminals, selinoid terminals, and the terminal where the heavy gauge wire attaches to the starter. They should all be clean and snug, to ensure good connection. The starter originally was grounded to the engine, just by the mating surface of the starter being in contact with the engine itself, so make sure the engine is grounded properly, and the contacts are clean in these areas too. As was said above, a ground strap from the botton starter bolt, to the frame, will make this a better option than the way Land Rover originally did it on older vehicles.

      I would do a load test on your battery first though, it sounds like this may be the problem.
      Bad gas mileage gets you to some of the greatest places on earth.

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      • Jeff Aronson
        Moderator
        • Oct 2006
        • 569

        #4
        You might also want to check your ground strap that runs from the starter to the frame itself. My II-A also had a "dragging" starter that turned out to have a poor ground at that point.

        There's no question that cleaning the stater and exchanging out the worn parts as stated here is critical to having it work properly. I assume you've checked the draw on the battery with a multimeter? I would want to make certain that the battery is delivering enough amperage at start, too.

        Good luck,

        Jeff
        Jeff Aronson
        Vinalhaven, ME 04863
        '66 Series II-A SW 88"
        '66 Series II-A HT 88"
        '80 Triumph TR-7 Spider
        '80 Triumph Spitfire
        '66 Corvair Monza Coupe
        http://www.landroverwriter.com

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        • LaneRover
          Overdrive
          • Oct 2006
          • 1743

          #5
          Testing your connections is always a good idea. This winter when I was back in Maine my Rover was getting worse and worse at starting. Of course after a few days of dealing with this I find that the battery to the solenoid was extremely loose!

          Brent
          1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
          1965 109 SW - nearly running well
          1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
          1969 109 P-UP

          http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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          • Terrys
            Overdrive
            • May 2007
            • 1382

            #6
            Don't rule out a worn bushing on the endplate end. When they wear out, the armiture can rub the field coils.

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            • Rineheitzgabot
              4th Gear
              • Jun 2008
              • 386

              #7
              As always, thank all of you for the insight. I'll keep you posted...
              "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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              • Rineheitzgabot
                4th Gear
                • Jun 2008
                • 386

                #8
                Found a very loose ground wire. Dressed it up and tightened the connection, securely.

                The starter does not stop, dead anymore. I think the ground was the culprit on that problem.

                Battery fully charged absolutely, however, it still cranks very slow.

                Any idea how a person goes about rebuilding a starter?

                Thanks very much.

                -Gary
                "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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                • LaneRover
                  Overdrive
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1743

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rineheitzgabot
                  Found a very loose ground wire. Dressed it up and tightened the connection, securely.

                  The starter does not stop, dead anymore. I think the ground was the culprit on that problem.

                  Battery fully charged absolutely, however, it still cranks very slow.

                  Any idea how a person goes about rebuilding a starter?

                  Thanks very much.

                  -Gary
                  I can usually get mine rebuilt for about $50-$60. Ask around in your area and you should be able to find a place that has a good reputation and does't charge through the nose.

                  Once I had one rebuilt by a place in Biddeford Me, and it exhibited the exact same symptoms, I took it back and told them and they did it again for free. I think they tested it and it was fine but it was only under a load that the problem came up, they rebuilt it again and it seems fine now (when I keep the connections tight)

                  Brent
                  1958 107 SW - Sold to a better home
                  1965 109 SW - nearly running well
                  1966 88 SW - running but needing attention
                  1969 109 P-UP

                  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=64cfe23aa2

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                  • SafeAirOne
                    Overdrive
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 3435

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rineheitzgabot
                    What sounds like the likely fix for this starter?

                    --Mark

                    1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                    0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                    (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                    • Rineheitzgabot
                      4th Gear
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 386

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SafeAirOne

                      Oh yeah, thanks for your help.

                      To be honest, I was going to take this route, only I have an old Koenig on the front bumper that runs off the crank, so I don't have a dog to hook it to.
                      "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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