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  • Oldblue
    Low Range
    • Nov 2008
    • 11

    Starter Motor

    I replaced my starter on a 72 series III 88" after having some starting problems (after replacing all wiring and the solenoid) and was happy to report the motor started right up when finished. I've been driving it regularly now for about 6 weeks ( 2 to 3 times per week), but yesterday I was starnded in a parking lot at home depot as it would'nt start once gain. I get a stong start but the motor will not catch. After about 20 tries over 30 minutes, it finally caught and I was able to get home, but I'm now reluctant to take her out again until I can find out the cause. I suspect that the startmotor is not seated completely against the frame and There is 1-2mm gap between the back of the starter where it is bolted to the frame. Could this be the issue? Any help would be appreciated.
  • SafeAirOne
    Overdrive
    • Apr 2008
    • 3435

    #2
    Are you saying that you are attempting to start the (gasoline) engine but the starter motor (electric) is not "catching"? Or are you saying that the motor is working properly, spinning the engine, but the engine itself won't start up?

    The starter mounting flange should be mated flush against the flywheel housing.
    --Mark

    1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

    0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
    (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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    • Oldblue
      Low Range
      • Nov 2008
      • 11

      #3
      When I turn the key the starter motor cranks, and the engine begins to turn but does not start or "catch" and stay started.

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      • Oldblue
        Low Range
        • Nov 2008
        • 11

        #4
        so, yes the starter motor seems to be working but the engine will not start. I guess I['m assuming its the starter not engaing the engine properly, or enough to kepp it going. But now that you phrase it that way, could it be a clogged fuel line issue if the engine fails to stay running?

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        • SafeAirOne
          Overdrive
          • Apr 2008
          • 3435

          #5
          If the electric starter is spinning the Rover's engine over normally and the engine won't start, your starter is fine--er...except that it should mate flat against the flywheel housing that it's mounted to. Just adjust it so that it does.

          Your engine not starting with the starter spinning it sufficiently can be always be traced to one (or a combination) of 3 things, barring any major engine damage: 1) A problem with the combustion air supply, 2) a problem with the fuel supply or 3) a problem with the ignition source (spark). Use the process of elimination to troubleshoot your problem.

          The easiest thing to eliminate is a bad supply of combustion air. Is your air filter assembly allowing sufficient air to through it? Is the rubber and cloth intake air hose delaminated on the inside, blocking off the air to the engine? (This happened to me when I bought a cheap aftermarket intake hose.) etc...

          Do the same for the other two systems.

          My first instinct would be to check for a clogged sediment screen on the bottom of the fuel supply tube in the fuel tank. A clogged screen allows you to drive for a while, until the restriction causes so much of a fuel defecit that the engine won't stay running. After a half hour or so, the suction in the fuel lines equalizes, allowing you to start up and drive again (for a while, at least).
          --Mark

          1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

          0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
          (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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          • RoverForm
            3rd Gear
            • Jul 2010
            • 348

            #6
            Having a starting issue on a '66 88 IIa.

            Generator light is on.
            Head lamps and turn signals come on when the ignition is in the S and H positions
            When starter is pushed i get a half attempt from the engine at starting then nothing.

            Bad starter?
            Bad battery?
            Bad generator?

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            • SafeAirOne
              Overdrive
              • Apr 2008
              • 3435

              #7
              The charge light should be on till the engine fires up and the alternator starts putting out sufficient juice. Sounds like a dead battery to me.

              Just re-read it...Do you have a generator or alternator? Shouldn't make too much difference, really...
              --Mark

              1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

              0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
              (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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              • RoverForm
                3rd Gear
                • Jul 2010
                • 348

                #8
                Originally posted by SafeAirOne
                The charge light should be on till the engine fires up and the alternator starts putting out sufficient juice. Sounds like a dead battery to me.

                Just re-read it...Do you have a generator or alternator? Shouldn't make too much difference, really...
                charge light is always on. have a generator. tried to use the hand crank today but got too scared and decided not to.

                it jump starts fine, and fires right up first try with a portable battery jumper.

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                • SafeAirOne
                  Overdrive
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3435

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RoverForm
                  charge light is always on. have a generator. tried to use the hand crank today but got too scared and decided not to.

                  it jump starts fine, and fires right up first try with a portable battery jumper.
                  Well, having no generator experience, I wouldn't venture more than to say that your generator isn't charging your battery for whatever reason.
                  --Mark

                  1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                  0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                  (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                  • albersj51
                    5th Gear
                    • May 2010
                    • 687

                    #10
                    I am no expert, so you get what you pay for

                    if it works with the battery jumper I would assume your generator pooped the bed, or you have a bad battery. I would pull the battery and take it to autozone or someone and have them do a free test to rule it out. If that comes back fine I'd look at changing the generator to an alternator and enjoy driving at night for once

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                    • RoverForm
                      3rd Gear
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 348

                      #11
                      thanks mark. i'll look at the battery and then the gen.

                      Originally posted by albersj51
                      I am no expert, so you get what you pay for

                      if it works with the battery jumper I would assume your generator pooped the bed, or you have a bad battery. I would pull the battery and take it to autozone or someone and have them do a free test to rule it out. If that comes back fine I'd look at changing the generator to an alternator and enjoy driving at night for once
                      duly noted. tell me the story about generator night driving restrictions...

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                      • albersj51
                        5th Gear
                        • May 2010
                        • 687

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RoverForm
                        thanks mark. i'll look at the battery and then the gen.



                        duly noted. tell me the story about generator night driving restrictions...
                        The generator doesnt produce enough juice (20amps?) to keep the battery charged when you drive for a while with lights on, windshield wipers going and your heater going. I found mine not keeping up just from the headlights. No more issues since I put in a 78 amp alternator. Look at LRFAQ.org and expeditionlandrover.info.

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                        • RoverForm
                          3rd Gear
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 348

                          #13
                          Thank you!

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                          • I Leak Oil
                            Overdrive
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 1796

                            #14
                            Wonder how Oldblue is making out in this thread....
                            Jason
                            "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                            • RoverForm
                              3rd Gear
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 348

                              #15
                              Originally posted by I Leak Oil
                              Wonder how Oldblue is making out in this thread....
                              great question. haven't heard anything since may.

                              but this brings up a good point... i moderate a fixed gear bicycling forum, and we discourage starting new threads on topics that have been covered before. we recommend that members use older threads for redundant topics to reduce thread clutter.

                              as for etiquette around here, how do the mods feel about resurrecting older threads? good form? frowned upon?

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