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  • Rineheitzgabot
    4th Gear
    • Jun 2008
    • 386

    Fire, Garage Drains, Etc.: A Public Service Announcement

    Below is a narrative of an accident I had while working on my Series. I guess it got behind me, and I forgot about until I read Nick Dawson's thread this morning about his leak on his fuel tank. Forgive me for the length, as I have a tendency to ramble...

    While working on my '69, I punctured the fuel tank slightly. Really, I accidentally pushed against while trying to remove something else, and the resulting torque separated the laminates, creating a leak. The next day came around, and I decided to tackle the repair sooner rather than later.

    I needed to drain the fuel tank. I was going to drain the rest of the fuel in the tank (I estimated it at about 2 gallons left) into a gas can. I positioned a funnel in the opening of the gas can, an gently loosened the drain plug. After completely removing the drain plug, it became clear to me that the fuel was rushing out faster than I would like. As I began to think of putting the drain plug back in, the funnel filled up and began spilling over the side, resulting in the funnel falling over and spilling all of the gas in the funnel onto the garage floor. Adrenaline flowing, I grabbed the drain plug and twisted back on as fast as I could, gas flowing all over until it was all the way closed (it was mostly closed, and there were a few drips, but waaaay better than it just was). All said and done, it was almost a gallon of gas that spilled onto the garage floor, creating a puddle about 4 feet in diameter.

    I was worried, but not panicked. For the sake of safety, I thought, I would go get one of the fire extinguishers in my garage, and have it handy, in case something happened while I cleaned up the gas. I went for the large extinguisher and as I grabbed it, I noticed that the gauge read "Needs Re-charged". I sat it down, still thinking at this point that I probably wouldn't need one anyway. I turned to get the other extinguisher located even closer to me, when I heard the ominous sound that gas makes when it is ignited. I turned to look and saw that the 4-foot diameter puddle of gas, was now a puddle of fire standing about a foot off of the ground. Still trying not to panic, I tried to employ all of my fire extinuisher training that I have ever learned. I aimed it, squeezed, and nothing came out. I tried it several times, it failed me. I grabbed the other one again, and aimed and squeezed, nothing. Again, trying it several times to make certain that I hadn't accidentally left the cotter pin in it or something. Now, I'm panicked.

    My wife comes home from the grocery and opens the garage door at about this time to find her husband running around throwing fire extinguishers, and knocking over ladders in the quest to find a way to put the fire out. This 4-foot puddle of terror was directly below my truck, and worse than that, was directly below the gas tank (which still had another gallon of gas in it). My wife ran in the garage and asked if she should call the fire department. I screamed yes, and to hurry,

    I unravelled the hose in my garage and turned on the faucet. It "pee'd" water. I was furious. There must have been a kink in the hose somewhere. I needed gushing water, not peeing water. I wrestled with the hose, and got more water to flow. I aimed it at the flames, and got the fire tamed abit, but not all the way out. It would not stop. I noticed that the drain plug was not completely tight, and gas was still leaking, and flaming like a molotov cocktail. At this point, I truly thought that I would not be able to put the fire out, the gas tank would ignite, and I began to think that running was the only solution. I shoved the hose in the fill tube for the gas tank, and by this time the water was gushing. I was hoping to extinguish any fire in the tank, and turn the gas into water leaking out the bottom. I figured the fuel source of the fire would burn out eventually.

    Somehow, I put it out. I probably should have run, but I am certain that the damage would have been much worse. By this time, the FWFD had showed up, and were exiting the monsterous red vehicle. I told them the story, heart pounding, vision blurred. They looked around, asked several questions, and left. Now all was better (it was not well, since I thought I would need a good de-fibb to get my heart going again, but it was better).

    One of the things the firemen told me to do, and I thought was perfect advice, was to douse the garage floor with water, and flush the garage drain. As environmentally unfriendly as it is, I felt a little relieved that I had a place to flush this stuff, as it had already drained there anyway. I ran the hose for almost an hour; rinsing the floor around the accident, and wherever I thought there might still be gasoline. Possibly twenty gallons of water were used during this period. At one point, I thought I heard the sound of gasoline being ignited again, and I was terrified for an instant. It must have been one of the car parts I have resting up against the wall or something.

    After all of the water spraying in the garage, I went to the basement to get the de-humidifier to bring to the garage to dry the garage well. I opened the basement door to the smell of smoke. Confused, I thought for an instant that it was residual smoke from the brief fire in the garage. As I descended the stairs, I found dense smoke in the back room and smelled badly of gasoline. I ran to the sump, not really knowing what to look for, and found that all of the PVC plumbing (sump pump, drain pipes, etc) were black and melted. Ding ding. Round 2. Hair standing up on back of neck...

    I ran to the phone and called 911. I thought there might be fire in my walls or something. The FWFD showed up again, and they were perplexed as well. After about an hour of discussion, we decided that the following is probably what happened:

    The drain in my garage is linked to my perimeter tile. I thought the garage drain went directly to the city sewer system, apparently not. Anyway, this gasoline-laced water made it's way around the perimeter of my property, and back to the drain sump in my basement. Evidently, the gasoline vapors are more dense than air, so they collected in the drain sump, and became pretty rich. After a few minutes they were ignited by the water heater, that sits about 18 inches from the sump in my basment. This is what I heard, when I was still in the garage, and I thought it was all over. The fire sat there and burned, unbeknownst to my wife or I or the firemen, until I went down and discovered the aftermath. Lucky I could call it aftermath. Lucky I didn't go down there to find a blazing fire from all the paper and wood products that miraculously didn't ignite.

    Two possible lessons for anyone. Hopefully they are too obvious: 1) Keep up on your fire extinguisher maintenance. It's one of those things that always falls to the bottom of your list of priorities, since it seems like you never need it, but by God if you need it, it's the most important thing you can imagine at that moment. Not only should you make certain they are charged, but make sure you can get to them. Over the years, I had stored ladders and other things in front of them, that could have caused problems on top of them being in-op. 2) Be mindful of where your garage drain is plumbed (of course, if you have one). Any "hot" chemicals need to be dealt with differently than what I stated above.

    I am very lucky to have an understanding wife. She didn't even hint at me selling the damn thing. I think she felt sorry for me more than anything else.

    Hope this helps someone.

    -Gary
    "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow
  • RoverForm
    3rd Gear
    • Jul 2010
    • 348

    #2
    this is amazing. what a story. luckily it turned out without any bodily harm.

    i have a question... do you know what ignited the puddle?

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    • Wander
      2nd Gear
      • Jan 2010
      • 260

      #3
      Good advice!

      When I had to dran my tank in order drop it to have it steamed and sealed I had the luck to think that running a syphon pump into the tank would be easier than the drain plug, plus I figured if the drain plug wasn't leaking-do not mess with it.

      I'm going to check my extinguisers tonight!
      64 IIa 88
      94 Discovery
      06 Toyota 4R (DD)

      ~Matt
      --------------------------------------------
      "Not all who wander are lost"~Tolkein

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      • SafeAirOne
        Overdrive
        • Apr 2008
        • 3435

        #4
        Similar thing happened at the airport where I work a few months ago. Defueling an aircraft in the hangar when the air compressor kicked on. Quite spectacular!



        Pretty unusual to have the vapors just ignite under the rover...
        --Mark

        1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

        0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
        (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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        • Rineheitzgabot
          4th Gear
          • Jun 2008
          • 386

          #5
          It all happened so fast, that I am not sure if my drop light, or the garage door opener motor (as I stated that my wife came home at about the same time), or static electricity ignited it.

          Wander-- I think you are right about the drain plug, and finding a better way to remove the fuel. I guess my haste got the better of me...

          I did not sleep a wink that night; kept thinking I was hearing the "whoof" sound again. All my smoke detectors, and extinguishers are in good working order now!
          "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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          • superstator
            2nd Gear
            • Aug 2008
            • 298

            #6
            Sounds like maybe the fire started in the basement from your sump, and flashed back up the drain to ignite the puddle on the floor.

            A bucket of sand is a good thing to have in the shop - it never runs out on it's own, it's easy to recharge, and it'll put out just about anything. It won't replace a dry chem extinguisher, but its a good backup.
            '67 109 NADA #413 - rebuilding w/ TDI & galvy chassis.

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            • artpeck
              3rd Gear
              • Dec 2009
              • 368

              #7
              Scary stuff. Glad it turned out fine.

              Reminded me of when I was a kid and one of the neighbor dads used a match to light up the inside of a gas tank he had pulled from a riding mower to see how badly rusted it was. Yes, you can imagine what happens when open flame meets just the right amount of gasoline evaporated in a closed space. No one was hurt but the tank blew apart impressively at the seams. Of course part of me being a 10 year old kid was thinking "cool, let's do that again".
              1995 NAS D-90 Soft Top, AA Yellow
              1973 Series III '88 Hard Top, Limestone
              1957 Series I, Deep bronze green

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              • Brian Holmes
                Low Range
                • Nov 2006
                • 12

                #8
                A real cautionary experience. I just bought a large extinguisher for the garage and a couple of smaller ones for the house.
                A few years ago my wife was mowing the lawn with our lawn tractor when something got caught in a drive belt and the whole thing suddenly went up in smoke and flame. She jumped off and we ran to the other side of the house expecting it to blow up. It didn't because the plastic gas tank melted. We had it out by the time our rural fire dept arrived with three large pieces of appparatus! Luckily there was no other damage but the tractor was a total loss.
                Cheeers,
                Brian on Kootenay Lake

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                • RoverForm
                  3rd Gear
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 348

                  #9
                  since we're talking about extinguisers, i'm looking for one to have inside the rover, plus a couple for the garage and house.

                  i saw what they have at home depot, typical non industrial A B C tanks.

                  does anyone have any recs on a vehicle extinguiser and/or home and shop use?

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                  • farmerdave
                    Low Range
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 15

                    #10
                    Whatever extinguisher you get, make sure its big enough to put out a decent fire. Also if you ever have to use one you have to shake them first to make sure the powder doesn't clog the nozzle when you first use it. I found this out the hard way when my 100 gallon aquarium went up in flames Christmas night at 3 in the morning.
                    "A strong mind defeats many" - Genghis Khan

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                    • amcordo
                      5th Gear
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 740

                      #11
                      So how did your wife react to all of this? Were there lasers coming from her eyes "because of that damned truck"?


                      Originally posted by Rineheitzgabot
                      Below is a narrative of an accident I had while working on my Series. I guess it got behind me, and I forgot about until I read Nick Dawson's thread this morning about his leak on his fuel tank. Forgive me for the length, as I have a tendency to ramble...

                      While working on my '69, I punctured the fuel tank slightly. Really, I accidentally pushed against while trying to remove something else, and the resulting torque separated the laminates, creating a leak. The next day came around, and I decided to tackle the repair sooner rather than later.

                      I needed to drain the fuel tank. I was going to drain the rest of the fuel in the tank (I estimated it at about 2 gallons left) into a gas can. I positioned a funnel in the opening of the gas can, an gently loosened the drain plug. After completely removing the drain plug, it became clear to me that the fuel was rushing out faster than I would like. As I began to think of putting the drain plug back in, the funnel filled up and began spilling over the side, resulting in the funnel falling over and spilling all of the gas in the funnel onto the garage floor. Adrenaline flowing, I grabbed the drain plug and twisted back on as fast as I could, gas flowing all over until it was all the way closed (it was mostly closed, and there were a few drips, but waaaay better than it just was). All said and done, it was almost a gallon of gas that spilled onto the garage floor, creating a puddle about 4 feet in diameter.

                      I was worried, but not panicked. For the sake of safety, I thought, I would go get one of the fire extinguishers in my garage, and have it handy, in case something happened while I cleaned up the gas. I went for the large extinguisher and as I grabbed it, I noticed that the gauge read "Needs Re-charged". I sat it down, still thinking at this point that I probably wouldn't need one anyway. I turned to get the other extinguisher located even closer to me, when I heard the ominous sound that gas makes when it is ignited. I turned to look and saw that the 4-foot diameter puddle of gas, was now a puddle of fire standing about a foot off of the ground. Still trying not to panic, I tried to employ all of my fire extinuisher training that I have ever learned. I aimed it, squeezed, and nothing came out. I tried it several times, it failed me. I grabbed the other one again, and aimed and squeezed, nothing. Again, trying it several times to make certain that I hadn't accidentally left the cotter pin in it or something. Now, I'm panicked.

                      My wife comes home from the grocery and opens the garage door at about this time to find her husband running around throwing fire extinguishers, and knocking over ladders in the quest to find a way to put the fire out. This 4-foot puddle of terror was directly below my truck, and worse than that, was directly below the gas tank (which still had another gallon of gas in it). My wife ran in the garage and asked if she should call the fire department. I screamed yes, and to hurry,

                      I unravelled the hose in my garage and turned on the faucet. It "pee'd" water. I was furious. There must have been a kink in the hose somewhere. I needed gushing water, not peeing water. I wrestled with the hose, and got more water to flow. I aimed it at the flames, and got the fire tamed abit, but not all the way out. It would not stop. I noticed that the drain plug was not completely tight, and gas was still leaking, and flaming like a molotov cocktail. At this point, I truly thought that I would not be able to put the fire out, the gas tank would ignite, and I began to think that running was the only solution. I shoved the hose in the fill tube for the gas tank, and by this time the water was gushing. I was hoping to extinguish any fire in the tank, and turn the gas into water leaking out the bottom. I figured the fuel source of the fire would burn out eventually.

                      Somehow, I put it out. I probably should have run, but I am certain that the damage would have been much worse. By this time, the FWFD had showed up, and were exiting the monsterous red vehicle. I told them the story, heart pounding, vision blurred. They looked around, asked several questions, and left. Now all was better (it was not well, since I thought I would need a good de-fibb to get my heart going again, but it was better).

                      One of the things the firemen told me to do, and I thought was perfect advice, was to douse the garage floor with water, and flush the garage drain. As environmentally unfriendly as it is, I felt a little relieved that I had a place to flush this stuff, as it had already drained there anyway. I ran the hose for almost an hour; rinsing the floor around the accident, and wherever I thought there might still be gasoline. Possibly twenty gallons of water were used during this period. At one point, I thought I heard the sound of gasoline being ignited again, and I was terrified for an instant. It must have been one of the car parts I have resting up against the wall or something.

                      After all of the water spraying in the garage, I went to the basement to get the de-humidifier to bring to the garage to dry the garage well. I opened the basement door to the smell of smoke. Confused, I thought for an instant that it was residual smoke from the brief fire in the garage. As I descended the stairs, I found dense smoke in the back room and smelled badly of gasoline. I ran to the sump, not really knowing what to look for, and found that all of the PVC plumbing (sump pump, drain pipes, etc) were black and melted. Ding ding. Round 2. Hair standing up on back of neck...

                      I ran to the phone and called 911. I thought there might be fire in my walls or something. The FWFD showed up again, and they were perplexed as well. After about an hour of discussion, we decided that the following is probably what happened:

                      The drain in my garage is linked to my perimeter tile. I thought the garage drain went directly to the city sewer system, apparently not. Anyway, this gasoline-laced water made it's way around the perimeter of my property, and back to the drain sump in my basement. Evidently, the gasoline vapors are more dense than air, so they collected in the drain sump, and became pretty rich. After a few minutes they were ignited by the water heater, that sits about 18 inches from the sump in my basment. This is what I heard, when I was still in the garage, and I thought it was all over. The fire sat there and burned, unbeknownst to my wife or I or the firemen, until I went down and discovered the aftermath. Lucky I could call it aftermath. Lucky I didn't go down there to find a blazing fire from all the paper and wood products that miraculously didn't ignite.

                      Two possible lessons for anyone. Hopefully they are too obvious: 1) Keep up on your fire extinguisher maintenance. It's one of those things that always falls to the bottom of your list of priorities, since it seems like you never need it, but by God if you need it, it's the most important thing you can imagine at that moment. Not only should you make certain they are charged, but make sure you can get to them. Over the years, I had stored ladders and other things in front of them, that could have caused problems on top of them being in-op. 2) Be mindful of where your garage drain is plumbed (of course, if you have one). Any "hot" chemicals need to be dealt with differently than what I stated above.

                      I am very lucky to have an understanding wife. She didn't even hint at me selling the damn thing. I think she felt sorry for me more than anything else.

                      Hope this helps someone.

                      -Gary

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                      • I Leak Oil
                        Overdrive
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 1796

                        #12
                        Sounds like you're very lucky and I'm glad no one got hurt. I can't believe the fire dept. would recommend that you wash it down the drain!
                        Jason
                        "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                        • Rineheitzgabot
                          4th Gear
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 386

                          #13
                          Amcordo--as I stated, my wife was great. I couldn't believe she didn't say to me, what you suggested. I am lucky that way.


                          ILeakOIL-- I cannot blame the fire department. I totally agreed with them about the garage drain. Also, in our area, most drainage like this at residences, are plumbed right to the city sewer, so their thinking was good. However, since I have told people this story, I have heard of other horror stories of people actually having PVC running from their garage drain to the sump, and plumbing right through the house! One story, a guy did almost the exact-same thing, but his PVC caught fire inside his walls!! I am lucky nothing like that happened.
                          "I can't believe I'm sitting here, completely surrounded by no beer!" -Onslow

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                          • RoverForm
                            3rd Gear
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 348

                            #14
                            after reading rine's post, i went to harbor frieght last night and picked up one of these to keep inside the truck:



                            going to get a couple larger ones for the garage and house.

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                            • 73series88
                              5th Gear
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 587

                              #15
                              yeh i have one in the rover but none in the garage.
                              think i'll pickup a couple of larger ones
                              thanks
                              aaron
                              73 series III 88 2.5 na diesel daily driver
                              67 series 2a 88 RHD sold
                              88 RRC sold
                              60 mga coupe

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