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  • MbogoRover
    Low Range
    • Oct 2010
    • 33

    Order of Events?

    I am the new, proud owner of a 1974 Series III 3-Door Land Rover and am excited to begin my restoration of it.

    This Rover is in, what appears to be, pretty good mechanical order but the I would like to change the exterior body paint color from it's current baby blue to a forest green and also paint the interior to match the exterior (the previous owner painted the entire interior in a cream color and did a poor job if it.

    I will also be adding windows to the curretn solid sidepanels (a.k.a. Roofsides).

    My question is this, what is the adviable order of events to begin cleaning up and restoring my Rover to the state I would like it to be in?

    Should I first install the windows in the sidepanels and then take my Rover to a local professional auto paint place and have them sand blast everything and paint it my desired color?

    I have ordered interior front door panel set and would like to insualte and install a headliner and such but want to do things in a logical order. Can I presume that having all the old paint (exterior and interior) stripped and the exterior and interior repainted is the first place to start before I do much else?

    There is very list just on the chassis and only a few very small spots of it on the body anywhere (which I presume could be cleaned up and repaired by whichever boday shop I have do the painting?)

    I realize I am new to the Land Rover world but I am excited to be here finally and ask for your collective patience and understanding while I learn from you and all through trial and error.

    In advance I thank you for any thoughts, suggestions or tips you might be willing to share.
    "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
    1974 Series III 109 3-Door
    RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
    Residing in Interior Alaska
  • SafeAirOne
    Overdrive
    • Apr 2008
    • 3435

    #2
    If it's a right-hand drive, I'd do the windows first, for the safety of the motoring public.


    OH, and congratulations on your new lifestyle!
    --Mark

    1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

    0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
    (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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    • rwollschlager
      5th Gear
      • Sep 2007
      • 583

      #3
      Originally posted by MbogoRover
      Should I first install the windows in the sidepanels and then take my Rover to a local professional auto paint place and have them sand blast everything and paint it my desired color?

      I have ordered interior front door panel set and would like to insualte and install a headliner and such but want to do things in a logical order. Can I presume that having all the old paint (exterior and interior) stripped and the exterior and interior repainted is the first place to start before I do much else?
      Congrats!

      I would not recommend on sending your truck to a body shop to be dismantled then painted. These things come apart remarkably easy and you can save some serious cash if you take it apart yourself and send the separate pieces to be blasted and painted. Also if taken apart, the paint job will come out much more thorough.

      What you could do is take apart the body (tub, doors, breakfast, and wings, etc) and while they are being blasted and painted you can work on your roof windows and trim bits. At this point it will be easy to be overcome by ship fitters disease and further take apart the truck and galvanize everything while you already have it in pieces.

      Good luck in your endeavors and keep us posted!

      -Rob
      ------------------------------------------------
      72 SIII 88
      67 SIIA 109
      82 SIII Stage 1 V8
      -- http://www.youtube.com/barnfind88 --

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      • MbogoRover
        Low Range
        • Oct 2010
        • 33

        #4
        It is in fact a right hand drive, which I am beginning to feel more comfortable with.

        For the public's safety, and because it does seem logical, I guess I will get the windows installed first before any painting is done.

        For some reason, the idea of dismantling all the body panels and interior pieces for painting seperately seems rather daunting ! Is this simply because I have never taken the pieces off before or can it be quite a can of worms ?

        Again, my Rover runs well now, or so it has in the whole three days I have owned it, so perhaps I mispoke when I said it was a "restoration" project - more like a refurbishing perhpas.
        "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
        1974 Series III 109 3-Door
        RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
        Residing in Interior Alaska

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        • MbogoRover
          Low Range
          • Oct 2010
          • 33

          #5
          Oh and thank you both very much for the congratulations - I am really excited !
          "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
          1974 Series III 109 3-Door
          RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
          Residing in Interior Alaska

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          • Eric W S
            5th Gear
            • Dec 2006
            • 609

            #6
            Originally posted by MbogoRover
            It is in fact a right hand drive, which I am beginning to feel more comfortable with.

            For the public's safety, and because it does seem logical, I guess I will get the windows installed first before any painting is done.

            For some reason, the idea of dismantling all the body panels and interior pieces for painting seperately seems rather daunting ! Is this simply because I have never taken the pieces off before or can it be quite a can of worms ?

            Again, my Rover runs well now, or so it has in the whole three days I have owned it, so perhaps I mispoke when I said it was a "restoration" project - more like a refurbishing perhpas.
            If you want a good paint job than dismantle the truck. That's what i am doing right now. It's easy.

            You will be quite surprised what a de3cent shop will charge you if you don't. It gets real expensive.

            EwS

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            • 73series88
              5th Gear
              • Oct 2009
              • 587

              #7
              how about some pics?
              congrats
              aaron
              73 series III 88 2.5 na diesel daily driver
              67 series 2a 88 RHD sold
              88 RRC sold
              60 mga coupe

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              • luckyjoe
                3rd Gear
                • Oct 2006
                • 335

                #8
                You might see if you can find anyone interested in the solid roofsides, before you add windows. The solid panels are getting harder to find...
                Tom P.
                1965 exMoD 109
                1995 RRC LWB w/EAS

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                • 73series88
                  5th Gear
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 587

                  #9
                  yeh
                  its gonna cost a fortune to install windows on your topsides..
                  Should be much eaiser to find simeone that would sell or trade topsides with windows already>
                  73 series III 88 2.5 na diesel daily driver
                  67 series 2a 88 RHD sold
                  88 RRC sold
                  60 mga coupe

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                  • Wander
                    2nd Gear
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 260

                    #10
                    Just to be clear, are you talking about installing windows in the side panels of the top that are on the same leve as the door windows or are you talking about the alpine windows that are found on the curved sides of the roof?

                    Spend as much time as you can doing as much work as possible on your own, you need to learn the car and that is as good a way as I kow. Even if it is running well I would still drain and replace every fluid and grease everything with a zerts fitting-in addition to making sure all the fluids are topped off this will give you time in,around and under your Rover so will have a chance to find the things that are easy to miss.
                    64 IIa 88
                    94 Discovery
                    06 Toyota 4R (DD)

                    ~Matt
                    --------------------------------------------
                    "Not all who wander are lost"~Tolkein

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                    • IARover
                      Low Range
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1

                      #11
                      Going to a body shop would be a very expensive proposition, plus I would not trust them to do what I would want done. I would recommend stripping the paint, not fun, but not terrible. I just got done with a 109 PU and it works great. Previous owners had ground paint (and metal) and applied a ton of body filler - and frankly created themselves a lot more work than needed - not to mention A LOT more work for me!! I used a product called EFS-2500, works great, just let it work and cover it with 1 mil poly and let it set 24 hrs. you WILL need to put on more than one coat in some areas, and be very liberal with first application. Happy to tell you more if you're interested. Also, strip as much of it while it's still together.

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                      • MbogoRover
                        Low Range
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 33

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 73series88
                        yeh
                        its gonna cost a fortune to install windows on your topsides..
                        Should be much eaiser to find simeone that would sell or trade topsides with windows already>
                        I will admit that I would prefer to just trade / switch with someone who had sidepanels (roofsides) that already had windows in them and/or had openings for windows in them - any suggestions where I might start looking for such? Keep in mind that I live in Alaska
                        "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
                        1974 Series III 109 3-Door
                        RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
                        Residing in Interior Alaska

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                        • MbogoRover
                          Low Range
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 33

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wander
                          Just to be clear, are you talking about installing windows in the side panels of the top that are on the same leve as the door windows or are you talking about the alpine windows that are found on the curved sides of the roof?

                          Spend as much time as you can doing as much work as possible on your own, you need to learn the car and that is as good a way as I kow. Even if it is running well I would still drain and replace every fluid and grease everything with a zerts fitting-in addition to making sure all the fluids are topped off this will give you time in,around and under your Rover so will have a chance to find the things that are easy to miss.
                          To clarify, I am refering to the larger windows on the same level as the door windows and NOT the apline windows.

                          I am learning to become a mechanic with this Rover and am trying to follow your good suggestion and am doing as much of the work myself as I can - I am leaning heavily on manuals and the knowledge of Rover enthusiasts such as all of you here on the forums
                          "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
                          1974 Series III 109 3-Door
                          RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
                          Residing in Interior Alaska

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                          • MbogoRover
                            Low Range
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 33

                            #14
                            Originally posted by IARover
                            Going to a body shop would be a very expensive proposition, plus I would not trust them to do what I would want done. I would recommend stripping the paint, not fun, but not terrible. I just got done with a 109 PU and it works great. Previous owners had ground paint (and metal) and applied a ton of body filler - and frankly created themselves a lot more work than needed - not to mention A LOT more work for me!! I used a product called EFS-2500, works great, just let it work and cover it with 1 mil poly and let it set 24 hrs. you WILL need to put on more than one coat in some areas, and be very liberal with first application. Happy to tell you more if you're interested. Also, strip as much of it while it's still together.
                            I am interested in learning more if your willing to take the time to share? Thank you in advance if such is the case.
                            "Mbogo" (Swhaili for Cape Buffalo)
                            1974 Series III 109 3-Door
                            RHD, 4 cyl, 2.25 Petrol (Gas)
                            Residing in Interior Alaska

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                            • Wander
                              2nd Gear
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 260

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MbogoRover
                              To clarify, I am refering to the larger windows on the same level as the door windows and NOT the apline windows.

                              I am learning to become a mechanic with this Rover and am trying to follow your good suggestion and am doing as much of the work myself as I can - I am leaning heavily on manuals and the knowledge of Rover enthusiasts such as all of you here on the forums
                              Thanks-I thought you meant those windows.

                              The great thing about series trucks is that nothing is very difficult and access is great. Sometimes it helps to take off a wing to gain better access but it's nothing like a modern car. The green bible is very complete although sometimes it can be a little confusing but give it time and keep at it. I am in the same place with my IIa-I had worked on cars before but wanted something a little more involved. Nothing has totally stumped me so far and it's still running so I guess I'm doing OK.
                              64 IIa 88
                              94 Discovery
                              06 Toyota 4R (DD)

                              ~Matt
                              --------------------------------------------
                              "Not all who wander are lost"~Tolkein

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