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  • cousindave
    1st Gear
    • Jan 2007
    • 192

    below freezing

    My series III will not start below freezing! Any time it hits below 30° nothing happens, no clicking no cranking, nothing. I checked the battery and it's fully charged. The only way to start it is to jump the starter solenoid. This happened again last night and I left her. Come back this afternoon and she started right up with absolutely no issues!
  • LR Max
    3rd Gear
    • Feb 2010
    • 315

    #2
    Replace Starter Solenoid.

    I just use ones off of late 70s ford trucks. When they die, $12 at the local parts counter.

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    • Jeff Aronson
      Moderator
      • Oct 2006
      • 569

      #3
      Check the ground wire from the starter to the frame. If it's not clean and tight, the connection will fail when there's a greater draw on the starter, like cold weather. Check your battery terminal connections, too; a loose or poor ground at the battery, or to wherever the negative wire connects to the battery box or the frame. Again, the colder weather puts more "strain" on the starter system.

      The solenoid advice above makes some sense if grease has congealed inside the solenoid, such that the colder weather prevents it from engaging the starter.

      Jeff
      Jeff Aronson
      Vinalhaven, ME 04863
      '66 Series II-A SW 88"
      '66 Series II-A HT 88"
      '80 Triumph TR-7 Spider
      '80 Triumph Spitfire
      '66 Corvair Monza Coupe
      http://www.landroverwriter.com

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      • cousindave
        1st Gear
        • Jan 2007
        • 192

        #4
        Thanks guys for the advice!! I'm going to check all grounds first and then get another solenoid!

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        • Terrys
          Overdrive
          • May 2007
          • 1382

          #5
          Swing by your local garage or good parts store and have them load test the battery. Also, take your battery hydrometer and see how many balls it will float at those temps. Just because it shows full voltage doesn't necessarily mean it's good. The specific gravity of the electrolyte can drop to nothing at lower temps when it's on it's last breath.

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          • SafeAirOne
            Overdrive
            • Apr 2008
            • 3435

            #6
            Originally posted by Terrys
            Swing by your local garage or good parts store and have them load test the battery. Also, take your battery hydrometer and see how many balls it will float at those temps.

            FWIW, that's where I'd start.
            --Mark

            1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

            0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
            (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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            • siii8873
              Overdrive
              • Jul 2007
              • 1011

              #7
              when you say "jump the solenoid" do you mean bypass the solenoid and it starts. If that's the case I would think it's the solenoid as everything works with that out of the circuit.
              For what its worth I have had a few internittant starting problems; once it was the starter commutator being worn, another time it was the battery, a third time the ground strap. They all had very similar symptoms. The battery problem showed up when it was cold out.
              THING 1 - 1973 88 SIII - SOLD
              THING 2 -1974 88 SIII Daily Driver - SOLD
              THING 3 - 1969 88 SIIA Bugeye Project
              THING 4 - 1971 109 SIIA ExMod - SOLD
              THING 5 - 1958 109 PU
              THING 6 - 1954 86" HT

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              • Alaskan Rover
                Low Range
                • Apr 2010
                • 54

                #8
                Oddly enough, my Series IIA actually seemed to HAND-CRANK easier when the ambient temperature went down to about 40 below zero....provided I remembered to plug in the block heater, of course. At zero degrees (with block heater plugged in like before), it wouldn't hand-crank nearly as easily. I sort've attribute that phenomenom to steel contracting when cold.

                Regardless, I've found that when it's forty-below, I can crank-start it better than my 1200 amp battery can start the engine.

                Weird, huh?
                1970 Series IIA 88".,...the REAL Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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                • cousindave
                  1st Gear
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 192

                  #9
                  Thanks everyone, headed out in "Eustis" the 300,000 mile 240 volvo that still runs like new, with battery to get load tested!

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                  • albersj51
                    5th Gear
                    • May 2010
                    • 687

                    #10
                    I drove an 86 240DL in college....loved that brick! Had around 300,000 when I finished college and sold it.

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                    • yorker
                      Overdrive
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1635

                      #11
                      Someone who used to be on this board took a Volvo 240 engine and transmission and put it in his LR with his own adapter. I always thought that was kind of a cool swap. I don't know what happened to him and his truck though.
                      1965 SIIa 88",1975 Ex-MOD 109/Ambulance, 1989 RRC, blah, blah, blah...

                      Land Rover UK Forums

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                      • cousindave
                        1st Gear
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 192

                        #12
                        Funny you said that because I have seriously been thinking about the exact same thing. Parts are dirt cheap, fuel injected, 5 speed transmision, extremely reliable, people practically pay you to take aperfectly reliable running car out of their driveway and the volvo forums are full of extremely helpful volvoites. Oh yeah and you can turbo them for a couple hundred dollars!

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                        • cousindave
                          1st Gear
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 192

                          #13
                          Oh yeah, almost forgot, 33-36 mpg in my wagon.

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                          • SafeAirOne
                            Overdrive
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 3435

                            #14
                            Originally posted by cousindave
                            Oh yeah, almost forgot, 33-36 mpg in my wagon.
                            How did the battery/solenoid/no-start issue turn out?
                            --Mark

                            1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                            0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                            (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                            • cousindave
                              1st Gear
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 192

                              #15
                              I replaced the solenoid. All is well. These solenoids are cheap so they aren't made like they used to be!

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