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  • masonater
    3rd Gear
    • Nov 2007
    • 329

    What holds the drive shaft together?

    Last winter when i took the drive shafts apart to clean them up. A "C" clip and a fat cork looking washer came out the inside of the threaded cap on the sleeved ends of both drive shafts. One was rusted beyond saving and i still have the other that is in good shape (see picture) It seems like spring steel or something. I've called RN and several other places and no body knows about it. Its not listed in any parts or operation books either. It seems to me that its purpose is to hold the grease in from filling up the gators, while also keeping the shaft from coming in 2. Has anyone found a replacement for this?
    1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
    1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
    1982 Mercedes 300TD
    1989 RRC
    1993 D110
    1994 RRC LWB
    1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
    1995 RRC LWB
    1995 RRC LWB
    1995 Disco
    1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
    1996 Disco
    1997 Disco
    2001 RR P38
    2005 LR3 HSE
    2006 RR HSE
  • bkreutz
    4th Gear
    • Apr 2010
    • 408

    #2
    You could try a local driveshaft rebuild place, that arrangement has been used for a long time. Walk in with the part rather than phone in.
    Gale Breitkreutz
    '03 Disco
    '74 Series III 88 (sold, 4/13)
    '47 CJ2A

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    • LR Max
      3rd Gear
      • Feb 2010
      • 315

      #3
      X2. FYI, all driveshaft stuff is pretty much the same stuff except for the ends where it bolts to the back of the transfer case and the axle. As long as those are good, a driveshaft shop can build you a new everything else.

      Think about it: if you've got rusted pieces falling out of your driveshaft, that can't be good. Oh and usually a shop can custom build you something cheaper than a brand new one.

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      • I Leak Oil
        Overdrive
        • Nov 2006
        • 1796

        #4
        There really isn't anything that keeps the splines from coming apart. That is dependant on the axle not flexing too much. As stated there isn't anything peculiar about the rover drive shaft. All spicer parts, very common stuff. It appears that what you have is the cap, washer that goes behind the cap and part of the wiper. You're correct in thinking it's job is to keep the grease in the splines. It also helps keep some water out but given the condition of yours I can see why it might be a little rusty in there.
        Take the shaft to a shop that rebuilds them and they might be able to get you the new cork scrapers.
        Jason
        "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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        • Donnie
          2nd Gear
          • Apr 2007
          • 287

          #5
          Originally posted by masonater
          Last winter when i took the drive shafts apart to clean them up. A "C" clip and a fat cork looking washer came out the inside of the threaded cap on the sleeved ends of both drive shafts. One was rusted beyond saving and i still have the other that is in good shape (see picture) It seems like spring steel or something. I've called RN and several other places and no body knows about it. Its not listed in any parts or operation books either. It seems to me that its purpose is to hold the grease in from filling up the gators, while also keeping the shaft from coming in 2. Has anyone found a replacement for this?
          When re-connecting your 2 shafts, if the splines are all evenly spaced, make sure that your shafts are in phase, that is all u joints are on the same plane. when the shaft is on the floor , all u joints should be facing the same way.......Donnie
          I spent most of my money on women & cars, the rest of it I just wasted.......

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          • masonater
            3rd Gear
            • Nov 2007
            • 329

            #6
            Update for anyone interested...Went to Republic Diesel and they had a kit from Spicer part# D3E dust cap kit. This has a new dust cap that threads right on to a rover drive shaft and the ring and cork washer to hold in the grease. Success!
            1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
            1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
            1982 Mercedes 300TD
            1989 RRC
            1993 D110
            1994 RRC LWB
            1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
            1995 RRC LWB
            1995 RRC LWB
            1995 Disco
            1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
            1996 Disco
            1997 Disco
            2001 RR P38
            2005 LR3 HSE
            2006 RR HSE

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            • siii8873
              Overdrive
              • Jul 2007
              • 1013

              #7
              The drive shafts I've worked on have alignment arrows on them for proper alignment.
              THING 1 - 1973 88 SIII - SOLD
              THING 2 -1974 88 SIII Daily Driver - SOLD
              THING 3 - 1969 88 SIIA Bugeye Project
              THING 4 - 1971 109 SIIA ExMod - SOLD
              THING 5 - 1958 109 PU
              THING 6 - 1954 86" HT

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              • jac04
                Overdrive
                • Feb 2007
                • 1884

                #8
                Interesting. The D3E has a "toothed" seal washer & retainer as shown in the first picture below. The D3A looks like the ones that I have seen on Rover propshafts (2nd picture).
                Last edited by jac04; 03-10-2011, 08:42 PM.

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                • masonater
                  3rd Gear
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 329

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jac04
                  Interesting. The D3E has a "toothed" seal washer & retainer as shown in the picture below. The D3A looks like the ones that I have seen on Rover propshafts.
                  I know its not the same as the one i removed, but it works. Where did you find the one on the right with the toothless ring? Thats what i had been searching for until someone local recommended the diesel shop. 2 sets cost me 15 bucks.

                  Edit: just read the different part numbers, wish the guy had shown me that one first!
                  Last edited by masonater; 03-10-2011, 08:43 PM. Reason: Just read the different part #'s, damn wish i would have got that one
                  1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                  1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                  1982 Mercedes 300TD
                  1989 RRC
                  1993 D110
                  1994 RRC LWB
                  1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
                  1995 RRC LWB
                  1995 RRC LWB
                  1995 Disco
                  1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
                  1996 Disco
                  1997 Disco
                  2001 RR P38
                  2005 LR3 HSE
                  2006 RR HSE

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                  • masonater
                    3rd Gear
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 329

                    #10
                    Originally posted by siii8873
                    The drive shafts I've worked on have alignment arrows on them for proper alignment.

                    Mine had those too, although you had to look real hard through all the rust. I punched new ones in for the future reference
                    1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                    1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                    1982 Mercedes 300TD
                    1989 RRC
                    1993 D110
                    1994 RRC LWB
                    1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
                    1995 RRC LWB
                    1995 RRC LWB
                    1995 Disco
                    1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
                    1996 Disco
                    1997 Disco
                    2001 RR P38
                    2005 LR3 HSE
                    2006 RR HSE

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                    • masonater
                      3rd Gear
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 329

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jac04
                      Interesting. The D3E has a "toothed" seal washer & retainer as shown in the first picture below. The D3A looks like the ones that I have seen on Rover propshafts (2nd picture).
                      Where were ya with that picture when I first asked!
                      1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                      1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                      1982 Mercedes 300TD
                      1989 RRC
                      1993 D110
                      1994 RRC LWB
                      1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
                      1995 RRC LWB
                      1995 RRC LWB
                      1995 Disco
                      1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
                      1996 Disco
                      1997 Disco
                      2001 RR P38
                      2005 LR3 HSE
                      2006 RR HSE

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                      • jac04
                        Overdrive
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 1884

                        #12
                        Originally posted by masonater
                        Where were ya with that picture when I first asked!
                        I only found it after you posted the Spicer p/n that you bought. I was thinking "what does that look like new" and "I better write that p/n down for future reference". So I googled the D3E and that lead me to the other one.

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                        • masonater
                          3rd Gear
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 329

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jac04
                          I only found it after you posted the Spicer p/n that you bought. I was thinking "what does that look like new" and "I better write that p/n down for future reference". So I googled the D3E and that lead me to the other one.
                          I already installed one on the rear shaft, other one is still in the box. I'll go back to the store tomorrow and swap it out. The front shaft was the rusted nasty one, so i think the correct one will work better.
                          1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                          1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                          1982 Mercedes 300TD
                          1989 RRC
                          1993 D110
                          1994 RRC LWB
                          1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
                          1995 RRC LWB
                          1995 RRC LWB
                          1995 Disco
                          1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
                          1996 Disco
                          1997 Disco
                          2001 RR P38
                          2005 LR3 HSE
                          2006 RR HSE

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                          • Winston-Rover
                            Low Range
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 27

                            #14
                            Originally posted by masonater
                            I already installed one on the rear shaft, other one is still in the box. I'll go back to the store tomorrow and swap it out. The front shaft was the rusted nasty one, so i think the correct one will work better.

                            Did you ever go back to get the D3A and try it out? when I looked up the specs, the D3A had a slightly larger diameter.

                            I'm getting ready to order two kits; I want to make sure the D3A works first.

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                            • masonater
                              3rd Gear
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 329

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Winston-Rover
                              Did you ever go back to get the D3A and try it out? when I looked up the specs, the D3A had a slightly larger diameter.

                              I'm getting ready to order two kits; I want to make sure the D3A works first.
                              Yup, i took out the one i installed cleaned off the grease and brought it back and asked for the D3A. When comparing the both, the dust cap on the D3A is larger than the D3E (which fits rover shafts) but the cork washer and retainer ring are exactly what i took out of mine during disassembly. The guy was nice enough to swap out the dust caps for me and send me on my way.

                              So what you need is the cork split washer and retainer ring from the D3A and the cap from the D3E.
                              1970 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                              1971 Series IIA 109 EX-MOD
                              1982 Mercedes 300TD
                              1989 RRC
                              1993 D110
                              1994 RRC LWB
                              1995 RRC SWB Brooklands Edition
                              1995 RRC LWB
                              1995 RRC LWB
                              1995 Disco
                              1996 GMC 2500 Suburban
                              1996 Disco
                              1997 Disco
                              2001 RR P38
                              2005 LR3 HSE
                              2006 RR HSE

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