Repower SIII 109 with 200TDI?

[TeriAnn]

Didn't some company in the UK make an elbow that bolted in between the exhaust manifold and the turbo on Disco 200Tdi's that swung the turbo up and out of the way of the LHD steering components? I'm pretty sure I've seen it...the hard part will be re-finding it on the net...

There is just one teeny weenie problem with using a Disco 200tdi exhaust manifold in a 109. The turbo and the frame want to occupy the same space. The 88 frame is different than the 109 frame in the engine compartment area so a Disco manifold will work with that elbow adapter. But for a 109 frame, you really would be happier with a Defender exhaust manifold.

And for steering component fitment issues don't forget there is always a power steering option that relocates everything.

[o2batsea]

Another option that I came up with is to flip the turbo upside down. This will allow it to clear the frame. It does create one small issue in that the center of the turbo has to be "clocked" so that the oil feed and drain are right way round again, and the wastegate actuator has to be relocated. Not a big deal and it was something I was halfway into when I realized that I had no need.
The other thing is that the drain tube will need to be fit with a longer hose, as well as the feed. Otherwise, it's a simple and elegant solution to the turbo fit problem.
Oh, and the exhaust will be in front instead of in the back. Again, no biggie.

[disco2hse]

From the other side of the field...

Is there a reason you can't stick a turbo on the transit? Sounds like you are pretty happy with it now, but want more power. What about adjusting the fuel pump output?

[bullstanky]

From the other side of the field...

Is there a reason you can't stick a turbo on the transit? Sounds like you are pretty happy with it now, but want more power. What about adjusting the fuel pump output?

It's funny you should mention that, a buddy of mine mentioned the same thing. And it would probably work, but will take a ton of tinkering and fabrication--essentially uncharted territory. And at the end of the day there are tons of parts available for a 200 tdi or a Mercedes 617, but very few for a '71 ford York transit. It worries me to do intense fab work like that for an obscure (yet very simple) engine.

[disco2hse]

It's funny you should mention that, a buddy of mine mentioned the same thing. And it would probably work, but will take a ton of tinkering and fabrication--essentially uncharted territory. And at the end of the day there are tons of parts available for a 200 tdi or a Mercedes 617, but very few for a '71 ford York transit. It worries me to do intense fab work like that for an obscure (yet very simple) engine.

I don't know that specific engine, but Transits in general are common as muck. Far more of them on the road than 200Tdi's. Maybe not in the states, but certainly in the land of pom and associated former colonies, there are many.

[o2batsea]

3) Throttle linkage needs to be addressed-- probably easiest to remove the Series stuff and install a Defender pedal and cable.

Rod linkage works just fine.

[bullstanky]

I don't know that specific engine, but Transits in general are common as muck. Far more of them on the road than 200Tdi's. Maybe not in the states, but certainly in the land of pom and associated former colonies, there are many.

There seem to be plenty of 2.4 York diesels out there--far more of the later 2.5 DI. According to Wikipedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_York_engine), these engines were used on ford transits from 1972-1984 until the 2.5 came into service. And there seem to be "enough" parts around for the 1972-1984 range--but oddly enough, mine is a 1971.

Here's what I'm working with:

http://m83.photobucket.com/image/recent/photoandy/FORDTRANSITORG/3798c0fe.jpg.html?src=www

I'm guessing that few on this forum have ever seen the likes of this...

[disco2hse]

There seem to be plenty of 2.4 York diesels out there--far more of the later 2.5 DI. According to Wikipedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_York_engine), these engines were used on ford transits from 1972-1984 until the 2.5 came into service. And there seem to be "enough" parts around for the 1972-1984 range--but oddly enough, mine is a 1971.

Here's what I'm working with:

http://m83.photobucket.com/image/recent/photoandy/FORDTRANSITORG/3798c0fe.jpg.html?src=www

I'm guessing that few on this forum have ever seen the likes of this...

Well I see your point. Still, it seems from the comfort of my kitchen table that fitting a turbo will require no more fiddling around than completely changing the engine to something else the vehicle was not designed to hold.

[bullstanky]

Well I see your point. Still, it seems from the comfort of my kitchen table that fitting a turbo will require no more fiddling around than completely changing the engine to something else the vehicle was not designed to hold.

From what I understand, to add a turbo would require trading half of the obsolete parts on my engine with obsolete parts from a turbocharged engine and hoping it would work. Of course it would be easier just to swap in the turbocharged engine I would inevitably have to buy to get the parts needed to convert my existing engine, which brings me full circle back to the engine swap question that started this thread.

It's looking more and more like I'm just going to have a gutless rover and am going to have to live with it.

[busboy]

Just buy a wrecked Toyota 4X4 reg cab long box truck and remove the body then take the Rover body and stick it on top. Use the Toyota frame and power train. Reliable transport and reasonable gas mileage, parts available almost anywhere. Sell your unused Landrover bits and you'll have money left over.

[disco2hse]

From what I understand, to add a turbo would require trading half of the obsolete parts on my engine with obsolete parts from a turbocharged engine and hoping it would work. Of course it would be easier just to swap in the turbocharged engine I would inevitably have to buy to get the parts needed to convert my existing engine, which brings me full circle back to the engine swap question that started this thread.

It's looking more and more like I'm just going to have a gutless rover and am going to have to live with it.

Hmmm.

How about this then. Are the later model Yorks with turbos very different from what you have (engine mounts, bell housing, etc.)? If not, can you swap one of those in?

Remember, the 200tdi has been out of production a long time too.

[TeriAnn]

Just buy a wrecked Toyota 4X4 reg cab long box truck and remove the body then take the Rover body and stick it on top. Use the Toyota frame and power train. Reliable transport and reasonable gas mileage, parts available almost anywhere. Sell your unused Landrover bits and you'll have money left over.

If you want to drive a Toyota just get a Toyota. It is easier then turning a Toyota into Toyota that looks like a Land Rover.

On the other hand there is the Mercedes OM617 engine.

Robert Davis has been describing his Mercedes turbo diesel conversion on the D90 forum

So far he has done the conversion on an 88, D110 and Classic RR.

[disco2hse]

Thanks TeriAnn, I had chosen to ignore the trollishness

Cool link.

[busboy]

Thanks TeriAnn, I had chosen to ignore the trollishness Cool link.

I was NOT trolling I was serious, if you are going to implant a different make of engine and modify stuff to accommodate it, it is not truly a landrover anymore than it would be with Toyota axles and engine. I take it back, I was just trying to be helpful and offer a different perspective. Forget it.

[busboy]

If you want to drive a Toyota just get a Toyota. It is easier then turning a Toyota into Toyota that looks like a Land Rover.

On the other hand there is the Mercedes OM617 engine.

Robert Davis has been describing his Mercedes turbo diesel conversion on the D90 forum

So far he has done the conversion on an 88, D110 and Classic RR.

My post was a very simple suggestion that works for repowering a 109 Landrover which is what this thread was about. It had NOTHING to do with driving a Toyota.