kinetic energy recovery rope or winch?

[scott]

Recovery points , recovery points, recovery points......those are what usually become fatal missles when they fail. If you dont have any really good ones wrap a big chain around your frame and attach to that. Trailer hitches are a no no unless the pintle type. And the bumper in the front isn't strong enough either. Safety first.

duh! i know that now. i just thank god that that 2" ball went high. afterwards i looped a tow strap through the pto hole in the rear crossmember

[chester rides again]

ok, so to end this thread, towing and self-recovery - moving from "must have" to optional:

1. Shovel
2. High-lift or other pulling device
3. Tow strap 3" wide, 25,000 lb rated or greater, lenght ???
4. 3/4" shackles - 3 or more
5. KERR of suitable size 7/8" or greater
6. winch (wire or synthetic line, with synthetic more desirable)

and obviously the knowledge to properly use any or all of the above in a safe and responsible manner.

[scott]

ok, so to end this thread, towing and self-recovery - moving from "must have" to optional:

1. Shovel
2. High-lift or other pulling device
3. Tow strap 3" wide, 25,000 lb rated or greater, lenght ???
4. 3/4" shackles - 3 or more
5. KERR of suitable size 7/8" or greater
6. winch (wire or synthetic line, with synthetic more desirable)

and obviously the knowledge to properly use any or all of the above in a safe and responsible manner.

ches

if your as daft as i you might want to add...a friend with turbine powered tracked vehicle

[greenmeanie]

Meh,
Turbine power is a dead end in the evolution of tracked combat vehicles. Diesels give just as much power, are far more economic in this role, are less sensitive to contaminents in the air they breathe and are much more predictable in their failure. (A tank without mobility is just a pillbox and turbines convert from go to scrap in an instant.)

Watch the next generation of US AFV's and they are all going diesel or hybrid using some form of diesel.

Anyway if you get stuck the friend you REALLY want has an M88 sitting in the yard.

Cheers
Gregor

[thixon]

No recovery point is fool proof. You can break you're frame using a KERR. Ask me how I know.

[scott]

No recovery point is fool proof. You can break you're frame using a KERR. Ask me how I know.

if it's mud, i suggest don't be lazy, use a shovel to minimize the forces on all points, on all vehicles. moving half a ton one shovel full at a time beats bent crossmember, busted cables and the surprize projectiles. after launching a 2" chromed ball at my buddy i got out and dug for a few minutes. i called it my penance for being stupid

[thixon]

Agreed on digging. We've all been there, some of us (like me) have to learn the hard way. In the afore mentionted case, my haste to get unstuck resulted in a bill for a new frame, and the time it took to do the frame swap. Sure was fun to do the swap though!

[chester rides again]

thanks for everyones input. now i just have to find a good place to begin getting this stuff.

jeff

[leafsprung]

Well mounted recovery points wont damage your frame. A winch should stall or a vehicle should fail to pull you out LONG before the point fails. I have never had a recovery point fail . . .ever. I cannot even imagine a recovery point failure that would require a frame to be replaced unless the frame was junk to begin with.

-recovery points are only as strong as what they are mounted to, rusty frame horns and rear crossmembers do not make good places to mount recovery points
-use closed rigging; open hooks and tow balls are a big nono
-use straps and shackles rated well in excess of any possible load you plan to place on them
-keep straps and sythetic lines in good condition.


Quality recovery gear and rigging is far cheaper than even one trip to the hospital . . .

[greenmeanie]

Quality recovery gear and rigging is far cheaper than even one trip to the hospital . . .

Ah yes, but pain is a great educator.


Just kidding but it seems to be the way some people learn. It always amazes me watching group recovery. Everything from using a winch with a wire rope that is rusted and kinked hooked to whatever happens to be convenient to the usual band of gawkers hanging around in the danger zone with a Bud Lite in hand etc.

The other thing I was taught was to always use a short strap to mount to the recovery points on the stuck vehicle. The pull can then be applied to this strap which will spread the load on the chassis thus greatly reducing the possiblity for damage.

Cheers
Gregor

[yorker]

thanks for everyones input. now i just have to find a good place to begin getting this stuff.

jeff

Jeff,

Join a reputable club and ride along with them for a while- that will give you a great idea of what to buy and from where.

I'd suggest you join ours but it is in Central New York and that is perhaps too far for you to drive to go trail riding.

[chester rides again]

Yorker,

Thanks for the PM's. I'm probably alot closer to Ottawa Valley Land Rovers as I sit 1 hr. south of Montreal.

I think Bob and I are going to form our own club...North Country Rovers

Jeff