Koenig PTO help

[KSMTAW]

Hello,
I am looking for someone who knows about the Koenig power take off winches. I have one and want to put it on the front of my 1965 IIA 88. I spent the day greaseing it and freeing all the working parts. It came with a few drive-shafts. I don't know where it connects to. The front of the engine, or the transfer case?

I need to know how to hook this thing up. If anyone has one on their truck near southern Maine I would love to come take a look at it and take some notes. Or if anyone has expericence hooking it up and can offer some advice that woudl be great.

Thanks-
Todd
Lebanon, Maine

[Rineheitzgabot]

I have one on my '69. I would have to see pictures of yours to see if it is the same, but here's how mine works: The drive shaft connects directly to the front -end of the crank shaft on the engine. It spins all the time while the engine runs. There are two levers: One controls "pay-in" or "pay-out", and the other engages the drive motor that powers the winch.

The drive shaft slides through the hole in the cross-member in the front, and renders the hand-crank option, useless.

When I get home, I will look, and even snap some pics if you want. I would guess that there is an adapter to mate the crank with the drive shaft.

Let me know if you want some pix posted.

[KSMTAW]

Hello-

Sounds like mine. I would like some pictures of how it mates to the front end of the engine. And the drive shafts. I am trying to figure out if mine originally contected to the rear of the transfer case or the front of the engine. I don't have the adapter to the rear of the transfer -so I am hoping I can mount it to the front of the engine. I know it had the cab controls because there are two holes drilled above and below the right hand side headlight. Unfortunetly I don't have the cab controls anymore.
Thanks for your quick reply.

Todd-
1994 Disoc 3.9L 5sp
1965 IIA 88"

If it is easier you can email the photos to my house.
ksmtaw@surfglobal.net

[leafsprung]

PTO (at the t-case) version:



Crank driven (at the engine) version:

[rovers2a]

it depends on the typ you have there are two kinds as mentioned previous. follow this link http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.op...Koenig100.html it has the fitting instructions of both winches. the front mount koenig is by fare the easiest to install as it just attaches to the the engine crank pully.

[Rineheitzgabot]

Todd,

I sent you some pics. I always have trouble getting pics to show up on this forum. Otherwise, I would have tried to do it here, so others could see.

-Gary

[KSMTAW]

Here are some photos of the koenig that came with my truck. It came with two shafts with u-joints.

I think I need the piece that couples the shaft to the engine pully.

I need to take a better look at the crank pully on my truck when I get home from work.

Thanks-
Todd

[rovers2a]

your missing the drive flange that attaches to the engine. see here http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/koenig.driveflange.html

[KSMTAW]

I am finally ready to ask a semi intelligent question. I think.

Does the starter dog need to be removed? Or does the drive flange fit over the dog?

If the starter dog is removed from the pulley, how do I attach the drive flange to the pulley?

Am I making sense? Thanks for the help.

Todd

[Rineheitzgabot]

I am finally ready to ask a semi intelligent question. I think.

Does the starter dog need to be removed? Or does the drive flange fit over the dog?

If the starter dog is removed from the pulley, how do I attach the drive flange to the pulley?

Am I making sense? Thanks for the help.

Todd

No. you are not making sense, but I am trying.

Do have the flange that is depicted in rovers2a's link above? Is it attached to the crank, or is it loose?

Pic below shows connection. This view is from the front of the engine, behind the winch (I was laying under the winch/radiator, facing the direction of the rear of the vehicle, with the camera pointed upward a bit to capture this view).

From what you have said, it appears that you need the drive flange (depicted in rovers2a's link above) which you may have, and it needs bolted to the crank, then the drive shaft needs attached to it. I am not sure what you mean by starter dog. by starter, if you mean the device that cranks the motor (I have to define this, because new nicknames are created all the time for different things), it should not interfere.

There is a possibility that my setup is different than yours, in which case, I retract any comment about you making sense.

[KSMTAW]

Thanks for the photo. When I say "starter dog" I am talking about part number RNC163. It accepts the hand crank. I need to know If I remove it and repalce it with the drive flange to accept the u-joint flange or does the drive flange fit over the starter dog and actually engage or hold the drive flange.

By your picture I see the four bolt heads that attach the u-joint to the drive flange. But do those bolts have nuts on the backside of the pully?

Thanks-

[Rineheitzgabot]

I will check tonite, but I would think that all you would have to do is lay under it for a few seconds and hold the flange up there with a flashlight, and answer all of your questions (i.e., if the flange has a "cupped-out" area that looks like it would fit over the starter dog, then, do-it to-it!)

Let me know how it works out.

[rovers2a]

yes you have to remove the starter dog.

[rovers2a]

i think that you do not have all the parts that you need to install your winch... check the links that i am providing .. part of the kit required to fit the winch is the, drive flange and a special bolt and lock washer. this bolt is replaced when you remove the starter dog. if you dont put a bolt in place then the crank shaft pully will fly off. you bolt this special drive flange to the crank pully, then attach the winch drive shaft to it. http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/images/koenig_1459_1.jpg i know its hard to read but give her a try

[rovers2a]

a picture of drive flange attached to engine pully