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  • ecodx123
    Low Range
    • Jan 2011
    • 16

    transmission swap

    anyone have any suggestion on what is a good replacement transmission for a series 3 88 land rover. i see chevy sm465 out there as well as an nv 4500 these seem to have adapters to fit them. also i have a clunking sound coming off the transfer casing, the frnt drive shaft seems lose, any thought on that. tnx
  • albersj51
    5th Gear
    • May 2010
    • 687

    #2
    Lots of great info at expeditionlandrover.info. From what I understand, its hard to fit a different tranny into an 88" because this will make for a very short rear propshaft with odd angles.

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    • albersj51
      5th Gear
      • May 2010
      • 687

      #3
      Let me clarify, there are likely trannys that work from a size stand point but the differential offset is also an issue. If you can weld/fab, it can be done. I've read of all sorts of things and the adaptors are available, it just depends on your skill level.

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      • ecodx123
        Low Range
        • Jan 2011
        • 16

        #4
        tranny

        i looked at that site and they turned me onto a company that makes adapters. for the various transmissions. that exppoland site has soome great info, i was just not sue what the best transmission to use is.

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        • ecodx123
          Low Range
          • Jan 2011
          • 16

          #5
          tranny

          I'm finding out , that to keep the LR engine and to put in a sm 465 transmission i will need to get a bell housing adapter or another bell housing anyone have info on that, tnx

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          • PeterK
            Low Range
            • Nov 2006
            • 33

            #6
            Are you planning to keep the stock 2.25 engine?
            If you are, I can't see why you would consider swapping in another transmission.
            I know that isn't the answer to your question, but it would be a tremondous amount of work, requireing adapters at both ends of the transmission and probably bulkhead, or other mods.

            If you can get your hands on a nice quiet series transmission and add an overdrive, I'd go with the Roverdrive. I think you'd be very happy.

            Cheers
            Peter
            http://blog.travelswithgeordie.com/

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            • ecodx123
              Low Range
              • Jan 2011
              • 16

              #7
              tranny

              I bought a 1963 I like better then the 1973 series 3, so, I was going to sell her. Lots of folks have no idea what these are, and , the can’t shift the things, so, with a seal problem in the transfer casing, I thought I would keep the motor, its in great shape, and then change out the transmission , I have talked to a company in calif. That has adapters, but, I have to redo the bell housing or through a 2.5 chev in the thing. So that’s where I’m at right now

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              • TeriAnn
                Overdrive
                • Nov 2006
                • 1087

                #8
                Originally posted by ecodx123
                I bought a 1963 I like better then the 1973 series 3, so, I was going to sell her. Lots of folks have no idea what these are, and , the can’t shift the things, so, with a seal problem in the transfer casing, I thought I would keep the motor, its in great shape, and then change out the transmission , I have talked to a company in calif. That has adapters, but, I have to redo the bell housing or through a 2.5 chev in the thing. So that’s where I’m at right now
                Usually you pick an engine and compatible gearbox as a package so that they will all fit together with off the shelf bellhousing, flywheel, and clutch. Add the appropriate Advance Adapters or other gearbox to transfercase adapter then a Series transfercase. Since Advance adapters got into the game, engine+ gearbox swaps into a Series truck has gotten a lot easier.

                I suggest that if you are staying with the LR 2.25L boat anchor that you stay with a gearbox that the factory fitted to it or the 200tdi (same bellhousing pattern).

                Just for kicks you might visit the Ashcroft Transmissions web site if you want to stay with the 2.25.

                Or just bolt in another series gearbox.
                -

                Teriann Wakeman_________
                Flagstaff, AZ.




                1960 Land Rover Dormobile, owned since 1978

                My Land Rover web site

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                • o2batsea
                  Overdrive
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1199

                  #9
                  You DO NOT want an NV4500 or any other New Venture product underneath you. I don't know why people think they're good off road trannys, but they have not stood the test of time.
                  I can't tell what you want. There's nothing wrong with an S3 trans, it's the gutless engine that truly sucks. Go diesel with a Tdi and an r380/lt230 set up. However, the investment in such a thing gets you awfully close to just importing a Tdi Defender and being done with it.
                  If you want to squeeze more ponies out of the Rover gasser, there are some aftermarket cams, headers and carbs that get another 20 or so.
                  You may also want to go with an overdrive such as a Fairey or Roverdrive. This will help with highway cruising.
                  My best advice is to just leave it as it is. Use it as a grocery getter, a weekend toy and conversation piece. If you want to go wheeling, get an 87-89 Range Rover for $1500, take out all the carpets and Rhino Line the insides. Put some Rovertym suspension arms and an Old Man Emu spring kit on it, mudders and a winch and drive the sh** out of it.

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                  • meatblanket
                    Low Range
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 98

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bill Adams
                    You DO NOT want an NV4500 or any other New Venture product underneath you. I don't know why people think they're good off road trannys, but they have not stood the test of time.
                    They are good because they combine an overdrive with a granny low first, and shift pretty smoothly for a 200 lb iron case truck transmission.

                    I don't think they are well suited for a Series Land Rover though, given the bulk and the length.
                    '55 SI 86

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                    • o2batsea
                      Overdrive
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1199

                      #11
                      No, they are not good in any way. There are plenty of 5 speed trannys that far outshine the NV line. Do your homework.

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                      • I Leak Oil
                        Overdrive
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 1796

                        #12
                        I've got an SM465 I've been jonesn' to build a truck around. A little, no, way overkill for a 2.25 though. Plus with the extra weight of that tranny I'd need a bigger engine.
                        Jason
                        "Clubs are for Chumps" Club president

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                        • meatblanket
                          Low Range
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 98

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bill Adams
                          No, they are not good in any way. There are plenty of 5 speed trannys that far outshine the NV line. Do your homework.
                          I did my homework and have an NV4500 in my Jeep. I am very happy with it. I'm not aware of any other 5 speed transmission has a granny low and offers the same strength as the NV4500. The NV4500 also enjoys a lot of aftermarket support, so you can adapted it easily to fit almost anything.

                          I do know that early models of this transmission had an issue with the 5th gear, but that defect was corrected in later versions. What's your specific gripe with this transmission, and what do you see as a better alternative?
                          '55 SI 86

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                          • leafsprung
                            Overdrive
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 1008

                            #14
                            You DO NOT want an NV4500 . . . There's nothing wrong with an S3 trans,

                            Wow. Ive run a lot of NV4500s and never had and issue. Even with 600+ftlbs of torque. S3 gearbox on the other hand Ive had plenty of issues with. The NV makes the S3 box look like it was made by fisher price. Whats your beef with the NV?

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                            • o2batsea
                              Overdrive
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 1199

                              #15
                              Well, lots of people still smoke cigarettes even though the evidence of their drawbacks is epic. YMMV The "magic time" for the NV4500 has passed. Nobody puts them in trucks anymore.

                              Whats your beef with the NV?
                              It's ridiculously long, and needs adapter$ beyond that to add the transfer case. Won't fit well in SWB vehicles, plus the amount of mods to the interior are insane. It also has a somewhat wussy gear set, when there are 4 speeds like the SM420 and NP435 that have far better crawler gears. With an overdrive you get better gearing with far less length. Better fit is an R380/Lt230.
                              I never said to use an S3 trans, I wrote that he should not mess with the originals and get a trail rig to wheel.

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