2.25 not firing 3&4 ?

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  • Lance
    Low Range
    • Jul 2011
    • 70

    #16
    Don't worry about insulting me, I'm pleased to have you guys helping. I soooo want to fix this and go for a drive! I put the timing light on the front plug wire closest plug to the front of the vehicle. I didn't try putting it on other plugs but I will just to see what happens. The dissy rotates counter clockwise. Firing order is 1 3 4 2. I have #1 wire going to the top front (right) plug on the cap, then going counter clock wise next is 3 4 2.
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    1967 109 station wagon
    1958 & 1959 TR 3
    1943 GPW Jeep
    1970 Jeepster

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    • Apis Mellifera
      3rd Gear
      • Apr 2008
      • 386

      #17
      Well, in that case, try starting it up and spraying the inlet manifold around 3 and 4 runners with WD40 or some such. Could be a massive vacuum leak. If that's the problem the exhaust note will change. If you use spray ether, just use short blasts.

      If that's not it, I give up.
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      • Lance
        Low Range
        • Jul 2011
        • 70

        #18
        OK I put the timing light on all the wires #1 & 4 both look the same on the flywheel, the timing marks are there. I switched wires 3&4. Putting 3 on 4 & 4 on 3 (getting zapped in the process....I have good spark). Still no change. I haven't started it in a few days and it is very cold here now some I needed a lot of choke to get it started, I don't think it was my imagination it sounded pretty good like running on all 4 but then it went away & back to two?
        sigpic
        1967 109 station wagon
        1958 & 1959 TR 3
        1943 GPW Jeep
        1970 Jeepster

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        • Apis Mellifera
          3rd Gear
          • Apr 2008
          • 386

          #19
          Since you're switching wires try these configurations (looking at the cap):
          31
          42

          12
          34

          24
          13

          43
          21
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          • Lance
            Low Range
            • Jul 2011
            • 70

            #20
            Will do, won't be able to try this until tuesday. Had to call it a day.
            Thanks for the help.
            sigpic
            1967 109 station wagon
            1958 & 1959 TR 3
            1943 GPW Jeep
            1970 Jeepster

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            • Lance
              Low Range
              • Jul 2011
              • 70

              #21
              Don't know if anyone is still out there but I think I'm on to something.
              Yesterday I was working on the Rover again & found that if I unplug spark plug wires 1&2 then 3&4 will fire BUT when I do this I get a spark that is jumping from the valve cover to anything grounded! If I plug 1&2 back on then 3&4 stop firing the spark goes away & 1&2 start firing. Something shorted??? where to look??? I have swapped dissy with spare but that doesn't change anything.
              sigpic
              1967 109 station wagon
              1958 & 1959 TR 3
              1943 GPW Jeep
              1970 Jeepster

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              • SafeAirOne
                Overdrive
                • Apr 2008
                • 3435

                #22
                I'd change the plugs and wires and probably the rotor and cap too. Then you've eliminated any leakage anywhere in the secondary circuit.
                --Mark

                1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                • albersj51
                  5th Gear
                  • May 2010
                  • 687

                  #23
                  I agree with Mark. It sounds like really bad plug wires.

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                  • Nium
                    4th Gear
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 400

                    #24
                    Ground strap

                    Is the ground strap from engine to chassis sound?
                    Walker
                    1968 Series IIA-"Ronnie"
                    88" SW, 2.25L Petrol, LHD

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                    • Lance
                      Low Range
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 70

                      #25
                      I will check the ground strap.
                      sigpic
                      1967 109 station wagon
                      1958 & 1959 TR 3
                      1943 GPW Jeep
                      1970 Jeepster

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                      • Apis Mellifera
                        3rd Gear
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 386

                        #26
                        I suggested cap, wires and rotor in post 6. In post 7 he said he's already replaced them.

                        I've heard that if the coil is wired backward it will do strange things spark-wise. Also, there is an arch from the valve cover to ground? Isn't the valve cover either grounded already or if the gaskets are in good condition, isolated completely?
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                        • Lance
                          Low Range
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 70

                          #27
                          I'll try reversing the wires on the coil. Almost seems like something is drawing the coil down. Has enough spark for two plugs, Pull wires off 1&2 then 3&4 work.
                          From earth to negative side of coil has steady 10 volts. Positive side of coil has 13 volts. Across coil (neg. to pos.) I have 4.5 volts. Does that sound normal?
                          sigpic
                          1967 109 station wagon
                          1958 & 1959 TR 3
                          1943 GPW Jeep
                          1970 Jeepster

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                          • Apis Mellifera
                            3rd Gear
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 386

                            #28
                            Assuming the truck is negative ground, you should have battery voltage on the + side of the coil and the - side should go to the points. I'm not sure what to make of the voltages you've provided, but it doesn't sound right.

                            I think I would completely bypass the wiring harness. Disconnect the low tension coil wires. Jumper from battery + to coil +. Jumper from coil - to points. Start truck then turn off key. The truck should still run, but you will have (hopefully/in a normal truck) disabled all switched 12V. This will isolate it as either a wiring problem or a distributor problem.

                            At this point, I'm leaning toward an improperly isolated points set, which is easy to do, or some other fault inside the distributor.

                            You say that it will run either on 1 and 2 or 3 and 4. Will it run or 1 and 3 or 4 or 2 and 3 or 4?
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                            • Lance
                              Low Range
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 70

                              #29
                              Just tried both of your suggestions. It will run on different combos of wire configurations even on one cylinder. Connected coil so it was off the harness straight to the battery, switch off. No change???
                              Seems to run on any two cylinders, doesn't matter which two but only two??
                              sigpic
                              1967 109 station wagon
                              1958 & 1959 TR 3
                              1943 GPW Jeep
                              1970 Jeepster

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                              • SafeAirOne
                                Overdrive
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 3435

                                #30
                                Hmm...How'd that engine-to-chassis ground strap check out? Did you clean off the contact surfaces so you're sure you have a good, conductive path?
                                --Mark

                                1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                                0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                                (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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