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  • Apis Mellifera
    3rd Gear
    • Apr 2008
    • 386

    #16
    All I know is with the oil bath, my truck couldn't do 70 mph. With the K&N and no other changes, it will go faster than 70 mph. The "it'll wear the engine out" sentiment hasn't been my experience. I've had them on a number of street and race cars for years. When properly oiled, there is no appreciable increased wear. An old English engine with 80K or 100K miles is going to need a rebuild regardless of the air filter fitted.
    © 1974 Apis Mellifera. Few rights preserved.

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    • TeriAnn
      Overdrive
      • Nov 2006
      • 1087

      #17
      Originally posted by Apis Mellifera
      All I know is with the oil bath, my truck couldn't do 70 mph. With the K&N and no other changes, it will go faster than 70 mph.
      You do realize of course that with stock gears, Suffix C or later transfercase & 32 inch dia tyres you are turning 4000 RPM at 70 MPH. An earlier transfercase or smaller tyres and you are revving higher.
      -

      Teriann Wakeman_________
      Flagstaff, AZ.




      1960 Land Rover Dormobile, owned since 1978

      My Land Rover web site

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      • JimCT
        5th Gear
        • Nov 2006
        • 518

        #18
        air resistance

        every 90 degree bend in the air intake is the equivelant of 10ft of straight pipe. the snorkle is for dusty conditions, it is more restrictive than the oil bath. the LR engine works find with the K&N filter, we are talking about an almost tractor engine.
        1968 battlefield ambulance/camper
        1963 Unimog Radio box
        1995 LWB RR

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        • Apis Mellifera
          3rd Gear
          • Apr 2008
          • 386

          #19
          Originally posted by TeriAnn
          You do realize of course that with stock gears, Suffix C or later transfercase & 32 inch dia tyres you are turning 4000 RPM at 70 MPH. An earlier transfercase or smaller tyres and you are revving higher.
          What's wrong with 4000rpm? Been cruising at that engine speed for nearly 40 years. So far so good. If 4K scares you, you should hear 6K or 7K. Before retirement, my MGA (three main bearings and all) would see those speeds. I wouldn't spin the Rover that fast; there's no need, but there's nothing wrong with 4K. I have 30" tires and an OD, btw.
          © 1974 Apis Mellifera. Few rights preserved.

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          • bugeye88
            1st Gear
            • Apr 2013
            • 167

            #20
            Which is why these trucks need overdrive to navigate todays insane roads!.
            Cheers,
            Rob
            69 series2a Bug Eye with Fairey OD

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            • cedryck
              5th Gear
              • Sep 2010
              • 836

              #21
              Amen to that!

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              • SafeAirOne
                Overdrive
                • Apr 2008
                • 3435

                #22
                Originally posted by bugeye88
                Which is why these trucks need overdrive to navigate todays insane roads!.
                Cheers,
                Rob
                69 series2a Bug Eye with Fairey OD
                I disagree. What do I care how fast people behind me want to go when I'm in the right lane of a 4 lane highway?
                --Mark

                1973 SIII 109 RHD 2.5NA Diesel

                0-54mph in just under 11.5 minutes
                (9.7 minutes now that she's a 3-door).

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                • bugeye88
                  1st Gear
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 167

                  #23
                  Mark,

                  It's not that I care that I'm slower than the general flow of traffic (which I am) it's just a lot easier on the engine.
                  Rob

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                  • Apis Mellifera
                    3rd Gear
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 386

                    #24
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                    Back on topic and in reply to a previous request, here's what mine looks like. The only number I see is B059A6.
                    © 1974 Apis Mellifera. Few rights preserved.

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                    • timc930
                      1st Gear
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 117

                      #25
                      Thank you. Everytime K&N comes up on any forum that I have been on, the old filtration and power debates start. You should see it on the 911 forums!!!! Guys there even dyno with and without to see difference in power.

                      I've got one on the 930, with zero noticeable difference in power, but it does make wonderful intake music when I get on it. The only reason I did it was to clean up the engine bay and to make it easier to make CO adjustments...was thinking same for the IIa, but I may just leave the oilbath on...

                      tim
                      Tim
                      63 IIA 88" (Beach with the dogs)
                      05 L322 (Daily)
                      95 RRC SWB
                      05 E320 (Wife)
                      86 930 (Rush on boost, 400HP and climbing....)
                      A few boring BMW's for the kids (E30, E36, E46, E53)

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                      • bugeye88
                        1st Gear
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 167

                        #26
                        Tim,

                        With all cars it's "air in....exhaust out" the least restriction the better on either end. Clean is good, finding the best of both is the answer. Low HP motors need to heed this more than any.

                        Rob
                        69 Bug Eye 88
                        67 Mini Cooper
                        67 M.G. Midget
                        67 V.W. series 1 sunroof
                        64 356 C Coupe
                        09 911 C4 Cab
                        K+N's on all of them
                        Last edited by bugeye88; 10-30-2013, 12:08 PM.

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                        • LR Max
                          3rd Gear
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 315

                          #27
                          Originally posted by bugeye88
                          Which is why these trucks need overdrive to navigate todays insane roads!.
                          Cheers,
                          Rob
                          69 series2a Bug Eye with Fairey OD
                          Yep.

                          I can tell you that being able to cruise comfortably at 65 mph is a lot better than lower speeds. Especially on the interstates.

                          Where I live, if you want to get anywhere in any kind of reasonable time, you hit the I-roads. Am I doing 85? No. But I'm pretty gosh darn close to the posted speed limit (and above in some places). Anyway, I am going pretty close to the speed of traffic which is what I want and the best way to stay out of trouble. Oh and stay in the right lane.

                          Anywho, I went to a cone filter since I did dual batteries. Removed the oil bath to make room for a 2nd battery. I have no regrets.

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                          • gwmaxhunter
                            Low Range
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 47

                            #28
                            I have seen dino tests on different air intake filter setups where a 300 buck system gives a increase in intake air temp and a loss in power. i want to play with on a stock rover and make a ram air system (a poor mans blower) and also play with different plenum risers. my 109 i have kept stock the oil bath air filter setup and it seems to work good.Click image for larger version

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                            • cedryck
                              5th Gear
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 836

                              #29
                              Thanks mates, love the pics.

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