Loud bang, dead rover - transmission?

[Bertha]

The hammer and punch works but it is cartainly not the BEST way to do it. I've done it both ways and have found that the best way would be to use the (rather pricey) socket:



http://roversnorth.com/store/p-5705-...a-and-iii.aspx

Actually our hosts are offering that at a pretty cheap price compared to this one at another vendor:

Land Rover Tool
Heavy Duty
Mainshaft nut spanner
LRT-37-509 or 600300
$155.00

[NickDawson]

Why not just get a final drive gear and end case for you Series III and try it for a while without the overdrive? Then you'll know whether the price for a rebuilt one is worth it for you.
BTW, are you running 15" or 16" wheels on your Rover? Just moving up to 16" wheels helps achieve some of the benefits without an overdrive.
Jeff

Nick
I have to agree with Jeff. Your best bet may be to obtain the original trans gear and cover, just to get going again, and remove the overdrive for now. You may find that once you dig deeper into the overdrive, that the cost of rebuilding it may be prohibitive. Your best bet is to ship it to RDS for a free evaluation.

Thanks guys - I had hoped to spend some time researching both options today and getting some input. Thanks for the thoughts, helps a lot in the decision process! I'm inclined to follow your advice with the thought that even if I rebuild the OD at some point I'd have the spares to keep moving if the need arose.

Back to the question from above - so what do I need? Just a final drive gear and end cap?

[Jeff Aronson]

Sorry, Nick, but I don't have my manual by my side here. However, I used to carry just the final drive and the end cap in my Rover "just in case." When an overdrive did fail once, that's all I remember swapping out to get the car running again. Rovers North -as well as others on this Forum - will know for certain.

Jeff

[NickDawson]

The plot thickens...
I checked with our hosts and BA - it appears that the factory transmission end cap is a pretty rare item... as in, it cannot be purchased.

Anyone know of a source for used ones? I've heard mentions of Rover junk yards that will yank parts and sell em. Anyone got a lead?

[HybridIIA]

Anyone know of a source for used ones? I've heard mentions of Rover junk yards that will yank parts and sell em. Anyone got a lead?

I would just keep an eye on the classifieds for a complete box - they pop up fairly frequently and are usually pretty cheap. It could also be an opportunity to change to a IIA box, which some (myself included) prefer. There is one on ebay now, but it is a '65 and I am not sure what suffix box that is. If you were to go the IIA route, the suffix D and later are stronger. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-...Q5fAccessories

[rwollschlager]

What are the advantages/differences of the IIA gearboxes other than no sychro's in 1st and 2nd??

-Rob

[scott]

The plot thickens...
I checked with our hosts and BA - it appears that the factory transmission end cap is a pretty rare item... as in, it cannot be purchased.

Anyone know of a source for used ones? I've heard mentions of Rover junk yards that will yank parts and sell em. Anyone got a lead?

i got my cap & gear at RDS. not very rare there

[Apis Mellifera]

What are the advantages/differences of the IIA gearboxes other than no sychro's in 1st and 2nd??

-Rob

Mainly clutch actuation. The chassis may differ because of this too.

SIIa



SIII

[NickDawson]

Thanks again all!
I followed Scott's advice and called RDS - they were great. They have an "emergency kit" for $100 - final drive gear, end cap, gaskets, the works. Easy fix.

May also mail them my OD for a quote. For $700 it might be worth referbing... maybe. (I hope my wife doesn't read this)

[NickDawson]

I DID IT! and in no small way thanks to this group, the help was invaluable!

I got the kit from RDS yesterday and took some time tonight to work on things. The gear slid right in, the washer and dog went on (use the chisel method, inelegant but it worked) and threw on the back plate... then realized that I forgot the gasket, un-did all the bolts, put the gasket on and reapplied the back plate.

Its driving great (well, minus that rear shock I'm still missing)... in fact, the slap that a mechanic has previously diagnosed as a failing differential is gone - wonder if that was the gears in the OD failing?

The only challenge I ran into was with the locking washer. I could not get the dog to line up with one of the tabs to bend it down - how bad is that? I need to do a full flush and transmission oil change. Thinking I'll get the tool from RN to tighten the dog and try again then.

Thanks again gang - this board saves my bacon every time!

Now...on to that broken shock, or the broken brake booster....or installing the winch... or new headlights...or finally repainting the roof....or........

[rwollschlager]

Now...on to that broken shock, or the broken brake booster....or installing the winch... or new headlights...or finally repainting the roof....or........

or just savor the moment that your truck is working then do the brake booster first.

[SafeAirOne]

The only challenge I ran into was with the locking washer. I could not get the dog to line up with one of the tabs to bend it down - how bad is that?

First off, glad to hear that you're mobile again, and for not too much cash to boot!

Now for that spline nut...You definitely want that nut to be 1) tight and 2) positively locked with the locking tab, ensuring that it won't loosen.

Unbeknownst to me, my locking washer had the forward-pointing tabs break off, though the tabs folded down onto the nut were still intact. The nut backed off, causing the transmission to jump out of gear while engine-braking. The next day, as I was backing out of my driveway the nut backed off as far as it could go, until it jammed into that cover plate you just installed, immobilizing my rover halfway out in the street.

[stomper]

Congratulations on your latest conquest Nick! I'm learning a lot about my rover, just like you, and to have a board with such invaluble members is refreshing. Be careful though, you may get the urge to quit your day job, and become a mechanic!

[bmohan55]

There are two things that make me realize what a really short time we have on this earth, browsing thru a used book store and climbing under my Series!

[galen216]

Just in time for another weekend of big snow.